I read this article today and found it sad but also interesting...glad I only use a digital camera for our naked baby pictures!
[url=http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2006/07/18/photos]They called me a child pornographer - Salon.com[/url]
We've never, ever taken nude pics of our babies...even though they would have been cute and adorable to us, you just never know where they might end up. Things happen.
Like Dannie, we've taken pics in the tub, but absolutely nothing was visible.
I never went naked when I camped as a kid. Maybe, it was because I only camped with my grandparents...in a camper. Also, I guess it could have hurt my chances that we always camped in very public places...KOA campgrounds, for example.
This was back in the eighties, too. I wouldn't even take digital photos of a naked toddler, these days. I'd worry I'd leave the camera somewhere by accident and someone would track me down.
Plus, I plan to adopt a child of no younger age than 5, so this (probably) won't be an issue for me, lol. No skinny dipping for this Mormon boy. LOL.
mumofone
We've never, ever taken nude pics of our babies...even though they would have been cute and adorable to us, you just never know where they might end up. Things happen.
Like Dannie, we've taken pics in the tub, but absolutely nothing was visible.
Same here, although I never thought of the porn thing. I just didn't want him to be embarrassed when he's older.
I feel very bad for the author of this article and his family, but I can't really relate because I can't imagine taking naked pictures of 8 year olds. Or everyone urinating on a campfire! (I'm not really a camping person. LOL)
Dhewco
I never went naked when I camped as a kid. Maybe, it was because I only camped with my grandparents...in a camper. Also, I guess it could have hurt my chances that we always camped in very public places...KOA campgrounds, for example.
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My kids are never naked when we camp either, unless they are changing in the camper. ( I did take a naked picture of baby A when he was running around the camper. It shows his butt, so I printed it at home.)
The people next to us striped their little girl (2yrs) and boy (around 4yrs) and gave them a shower with the hose right where everyone could see. But the mom, dad, and older brothers used the public showers.
I just found this thread and read the article beginning to end. I am a photographer and have often questioned who determines what is appropriate or not when it comes to naked pictures of babies and toddlers. Quite often moms ask me to take shots of them breast feeding their naked newborns. I have had requests for barely clothed pregnant mom with a naked toddler. They almost sound dirty when typed on paper but are amazingly beautiful images. Now that I have children I question what shots I will be willing to take when I start my business back up again. I also question some of the shots I choose to tKe of my own kids. Crazy that we must think like this about innocent photography.
Once when viewing my then foster(now adopted)daughter's lifebook while waiting for court her biological grandfather commented on how many pics of the baby were naked. To me naked is only naked if something is showing- in the case of a baby especially. Her first bath pics were in there, girl parts covered by a washcloth. Some artsy ones of her in a hat box with boas and pearls and cute hats but she had no shirt. She was 6 months old. On the beach with just reusable water diaper on. I felt more creeped out for him that he noticed! I guess now that my girls are 1 1/2 and 3 I am wondering what the line is. I would love tohear more people's opinions.
To ME these laws are a double edged sword. Just like a PP said, you can't only arrest someone for seeing it as pornographic, the law has to be equal for the sole production of these types of photos to protect children. But I also feel these types of things are making people feel there IS something sexual or wrong with nudity of a child. I think naked pics should stay private for one, but I see NOTHING wrong it as long as genitalia is covered. For little girls to not have on a top while swimming etc isn't a big deal to me seeing as they look no different than a boy. I think the line for this is definitely in the 2-3 age range when strangers are around. It is SUCH a fine line & to me that is just so sad! There are pics of me & my sister in nothing but dress shoes & no one thought anything of it back then.
But where do you raw the line. Are the photos of little man being born pornographic? Are say pictures of a brisk if you are Jewish now considered unseemly?
What about a naked baby getting the umbilical cord cut? Should the baby have had clothes on when born. In all honesty I think we as Americans make far to big of deal out of people in general being naked. Pretty sure we all have generally the same parts.
At what point do we become afraid to take any child's picture. At what point do I have to be worried about being accused of something because someone else lets there child be naked in a public place. I get why the laws are set up but at the same time lets use a little common sense stop being crazy and use our brains.
Leave it to the miscreants to take away our rights in how we take pictures of our kids. *I LOVE the naked candid shots of me, my sister & our friends when we lived in the country. *We were free to not have to wear clothes and being in nature. *There was NOTHING wrong with it in the 60's & 70's...I'm saddened that these horrible pervs are robbing our families of documenting our children growing up. *GAH!
~Sunday~
I love the bathtub pics - never thought to worry about what was covered and what wasn't. I think a lot of the pictures I take of C will embarrass him a lot more when he's older (for example, I put him in a turkey-face bib and hat with t a turkey crest on it at Thanksgiving). I didn't see it this way as a teenager, but as an adult I see embarrassing pictures as proof we are loved.
My issue with how the current laws read is that it has gone from being about who was harmed (in the creation of actual kiddie porn there is a child who is being exploited/ victimized). Bathtub pictures aren't harming the kids.
We ran around the house/ yard/ farm naked as kids, and in our underwear even when we were 8 or 9. We didn't camp when we were young enough to be naked, so we never did then, but we had a cabin, and there are certainly pictures of us naked there. I don't actually know if there are pictures of us peeing on a fire at any point, but I wouldn't be surprised.
We all want to document our lives with our kids, and these moments are some of the precious ones. I think not only folks who develop photos, but in this case especially the police and DHHS, need to to show some sense.
We were looking at old family photos of our children (who are now in their 30's and 40's) and there were several pictures of them with no clothes on. Only in one of them could you see anything. We all commented that today trying to have those developed would surely have us arrested! For the older people here, we even have one where our son is posed (naturally) like the infamous Bert Reynolds pose which was a shock heard around the world.
When our oldest, now 21, was a baby we still had film cameras. One day I took some naked pictures of him when he was about 3 months old, took my film to the "Fotomat" store to be developed. The next day I went to pick it up and was suprised to find that they had no developed it because it has nude photos on it! So crazy! I'm glad now to now have digital and I have plenty of photos of my sweek naked babies!
I also do professional photography on the side. I do not do breastfeeding shots or totally naked kids for this reason. I think breastfeeding is a beautiful thing but have no desire to photograph it because someone will make more of it! I also love bath tub pics but make sure all parts are artfully covered. Shame crazy people dictated our lives!!
SO stupid. I mean really a Banana can be seen as pornographic in the wrong hands. Does that mean we should ban the Yummy Yellow fruit? NO! It means that people are weird.
Furthermore it is legal for children to go to a nudist resort and be completely nude but you can't have a picture of a baby in a bath tub.
AlabamaMommy
I also do professional photography on the side. I do not do breastfeeding shots or totally naked kids for this reason. I think breastfeeding is a beautiful thing but have no desire to photograph it because someone will make more of it! I also love bath tub pics but make sure all parts are artfully covered. Shame crazy people dictated our lives!!
It is such a shame!! I am that person who's kids have photography ready wardrobes. They have mostly neutral colors and many plain shirts and tons of jeans because I am ALWAYS taking pics and most clothes are such a distraction. When I did art photography and had shows most of my shots were nudes because I hate clothes! The body is just beautiful. Nothing major (nipples aren't major right? lol) was showing in any of my shots ever- adult or not and I never worried about it. I did a shoot of my good friend's daughter at age 3. She had on a fairy skirt (made out of us hot gluing strips of tulle onto a pair of her undies hahaha) and nothing else. AMAZING pictures. I want to do the same shots for Curly but will probably have to figure out some kinda top for her.
All that being said- there are shots taken that need to now be immediately deleted from the camera that years ago would be stuck on film. A shift this way and something shows. Baby moves and all of a sudden you have a Sharon Stone shot you never intended. It just freaks me out that someone would be able to twist you into some kiddie porn freak and you would end up having to defend yourself from allegations. It just isn't worth the risk in a world where common sense does not always prevail. I guess extra caution will have to be taken.
Alabama, I think it's sad that you have changed how you approach your art because of people who worry about arousing the creeps of the world. I would like to say don't bend to them, stay strong! But I know that's not very practical thanks to our perversion paranoia in the US. Sigh...