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I hardly know where to begin. To bring someone up to speed on everything that has led me to my current place, emotionally and otherwise, is a pretty long story. But I suppose it's necessary to tell if there's going to be any sort of cathartic revelation here. I chose this forum based on the outside hope that someone here could possibly help shed some light on what I might do to change some of the emotional ways I react to things that happen in my life. Perhaps the best way to tell the story is to start with where I am now and work backwards...
I am a 40 year old man, married nearly 18 years, with two amazing daughters-8 and 10 years old. I have a relatively new, fairly successful business in which I get the opportunity to help lots of people. By trade, I specialize in helping people with cognitive disabilities who experience serious behavior problems. I've always found it to be challenging and very satisfying work. My career has been a bit of a whirlwind, with lots of different jobs, but always related to working with people who had behavior problems. I am now focused on being a trainer and presenter for agencies and schools that serve that population. I love my work. I get to stand up in front of hundreds of people, present myself in a highly articulate, funny, and meaningful way, and then sit back and have all sorts of people tell me how what I've said has touched them in some way. The end result is often that people with real problems get the help that they need, and that feels great. Plus, it pays pretty darn well, too!! I really like my life circumstances. I love my family so much. I really feel like I SHOULD be totally healthy from an emotional perspective, but I'm just not. It's not that I'm unhappy all the time. It's just that there are circumstances that arise every once in a while that send me spiraling downward, and I don't know how to handle them. They're the reason for posting here.....
I was given up for adoption at birth, back in 1966. I know very little about my bmom and bdad, other than their ages, ethnic orgins, that sort of stuff. I was officially adoped just two months later in December of that year by my amom and adad, and I've been an only child since. Dad was in the Navy, and was gone for extended periods of time during my very early years, including one trip of nearly a full year, and others for more than six months at a time. All of this was, obviously, during the war in Vietnam. Some of my first memories are of going to the Naval base to greet my Dad as he returned home. Mom was/is an overbearing, judgmental, angry woman who had absolutely no idea how her anger and judmental nature could negatively affect a child. She was demanding, rude, and generally is not a nice person-although she sees herself as a wonderful, kind and generous individual. She's not. Just ask my wife.
I was only in Kindergarten when my Dad retired from the Navy, and we all returned to their home town, a small community of about 14000 people, and I was enrolled in the local Catholic school. As I grew, I found myself moving through the Catholic and Public school systems, never really making any strong friendships-but never being freindless-all through the years. It wasn't until High School that I started to recognize that I had some emotions that I didn't feel equipped to deal with. I was angry as a teenager, and the source of that anger was always my amom. We fought bitterly through most of my teen years. She never liked anyone that I ever dated. My friends weren't really good enough unless they played golf at the country club, etc. Kind of pathetic. When I was a sophomore in High School, I met a girl that I would date for a number of years, on and off until just before my Senior year of college. She was absolutely gorgeous, and was head over heels for her. I truly was like a little puppy dog who would have done anything she ever asked. I can't help but wince when I think of how easily steamrolled I was during that time. But this is where I start to be able to identify some of the issues that I find myself dealing with today. I was absolutely petrified of having her "break up" with me. I was scared to death to experience that kind of rejection. Heck, that fear of rejection had prevented me from asking other girls out before, even when I really wanted to. If I thought there was even the slightest chance that they'd say no, I wouldn't do it. Rejection was so painful, and I just didn't (still don't) know how to handle it.
Anyway, to make a long story one hair shorter, between my junior and senior years of high school, my girlfriend informed me that she had "cheated" on me with one of my childhood friends who I had always liked a lot. She just said that he was a guy she had always wanted to be with, and it "just happened." I remember acting pretty cool about it to her face, but then returning home that night to literally fall on the floor of my bedroom and just curl up in the fetal position for hours. I had literally no idea how to cope with the kind of pain that I felt, and it absolutely overwhelmed me. Even to this day, some 25 years later-and this is embarrassing to admit-it remains one of the most painful memories of my life. I know that it scared me off of girls for a few years, particularly at the beginning of college. I attended a major university, about 90 miles away from her. She came to visit me one weekend after we had been at school for about a month, and during her stay, she told me that she had been on dates with five different guys. I still hadn't recovered from the previous problem, and obviously, this was a huge blow. No fetal position this time, just a lot of burying of lots of feelings of anger, pain, and abandonment. I acted like it didn't hurt, but it sure as hell did.
College continued. I dated some-maybe seven or eight girls during the next few years, but never anything serious. At the end of my junior year, I met the woman who would become my wife. Over the course of a few months, our relationship developed, and to put it succinctly, it has never actually stopped. We basically lived together during my senior year of college, and then more formally moved in together right after graduation. We married about two years later. During the early part of our relationship, we were absolutely tied at the hip. I didn't want to go anywhere without her, and she seemed 100% happy with that! We really didn't socialize with other people. We remained pretty solitary, and only developed friendships with some of my family members that were about the same age. Things felt really good to me, and there were never any "curve balls" thrown my way. Until something seemingly very innocent happened. My wife is a very talented musician-singer. Her education is in musical theater, but she stopped pursuing her degree when we moved in together. Once we had moved back to my hometown, one summer she decided that she wanted to participate in a local community theater production. It required her to be gone a lot-rehearsals were four or five nights week, and I was left alone at home a great deal. It just hadn't happened before, and I felt really lonely and to be honest, abandoned. I didn't know why she would want to give up so much time out of our relationship, and I was hurt by it. It was wierd. I knew that what I was feeling wasn't "right" in some sort of ethical way. I knew that I "should" have been supportive of her and her desire to do something that she really enjoyed. But I couldn't make myself actually feel those things. There was just too much pain, anger, resentment, and lonliness. And I made her life during the play miserable. I laid out every single guilt trip I could come up with.
We got through the first play or two that she did. I didn't like it. I made her miserable, but something inside me told me that I "should" tell her to do what she wanted because I didn't want to be some control freak of a husband with self-esteem and abandonment issues! But then came the play where she had to play a romantic lead, and had to kiss another guy a bunch of times during the show. I had tried to become involved in things so that I could be more supportive. I even produced that stupid show. And there I was in the middle of this, watching my wife on stage doing something that was ripping my heart out. The fact that it was on stage meant absolutely nothing to me. It didn't matter. I just knew that it was absolutely killing me. I tried so hard to tell her what I was feeling, and she just couldn't understand. She really thought I was just being silly-and controlling. And maybe I was. But all I know is that even as I sit here and write this, I can still feel the extraordinary pain, embarrassment, anger, sadness, and same old familiar sense of abandonment that had felt all those years before in high school. That whole episode ranks right up there with the most painful experiences I've ever had.
Many years have passed, and there have been more plays, and more situations like this. She's gone away with her friends a couple of times, but one time, her sisters asked her and the kids to go away with them for a week. I wanted to fall over and die. I felt totally rejected simply because she was willing to even consider the possibility. About three years ago, and I feel ashamed to have to talk about this, but it's part of the bigger picture, I became emotionally involved with someone that I worked with. I allowed myself to believe that because I wasn't crossing some sort of physical barrier, I wasn't "cheating" on my wife. It got out of hand, and let to me declaring that I no longer loved my wife, which was never the truth. As I look back on it, I think I was trying to pay her back for hurting me so deeply, and then denying that what occured was enough justification for the pain that I felt. I was so very angry, and I simply found someone else who would listen to me, and seemed to be able to relate to me without being judgmental. That other relationship is the most significant regret of my life, and I will likely never forgive myself for it, despite the fact that I understand why it occurred. I am grateful that my wife, who found out the entire extent of that relationship, has found a way to forgive me and we've been able to move forward together.
So now we're at the beginning of another play, and there is also the possibility of her going on a trip with her friends to celebrate her 40th birthday. I thought the trip was for a couple of nights, but it was actually supposed to be for 5 nights/6 days. We've never been apart that long since we've been married-not even close. In the heart of the play, I am finding myself experiencing many of the old feelings again. Anger, resentment, abandonment. And I am embarrassed to admit that I still have no idea how to cope with them. I sit here, and as I type, the pressure that I feel on my chest is immense. Not some heart-attack inducing pain, but an awful, familiar sense that the person I love and care about the most just doesn't feel the same way about me. Or doesn't care enough to not do the things that I find so hurtful.
I feel selfish. But I'm also hurting a lot.
I feel controlling. But I also feel desperate for her to recognize how serious this kind of pain is.
I want her to do the things that she loves. But I don't know how to handle the pain that it brings.
I feel embarrassed over the fact that something so little as a play or a weekend trip can trigger such emotions. But I also know that there have been things in my life that have occurred that have led me to this place.
We went to counseling before, and I've reached this point with some help. The problem is that I still don't know what to DO-to actually DO-when I'm confronted with these feelings. I don't know how to make them go away. The last counselor I saw simply told me that he couldn't tell me what to do-that I had to figure it out for myself. Well, that was over a year ago, and I'm still **** clueless....
Thanks for listening to the rant...........
My dear friend, have you done any reading about adoption and abandonment issues? Have you tried to find a counselor who knows about/understands the issues of adoption?
The sad thing is that is that just realizing what's happening doesn't make the problem go away. It would be so much simpler it that were the case. No counselor can solve our problems, but they can help us articulate our goals and begin to work toward them.
One book you might want to read is [URL="http://astore.amazon.com/adopshop-20/detail/0963648004/105-2864604-5090800"]Primal Wound by Nancy Verrier.[/URL]
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Okay I am not an expert here... although I am working on becoming one. I will assume that at some point in counseling you have identified one or more underlying cause for your abandonment issues. Even if that didn't happen in counseling I think I feel safe in assuming that you have the intelligence and inisght to understand the causes. I do have some advice for you regarding something you can actually do; however, remember I am not a licensed counselor of any degree. I am pursuing a PhD in psychology but I am not there yet. However, friends and family call me for just about every type of problem imaginable. First, at a time that there is nothing going on that initiates these feelings, you need to sit down with your wife and have a conversation. You should let her know that you realize that the degree of these emotions goes beyond what is typical for the situation and that you in no way place any blame on her. You also need to make sure that she knows that these feelings are very real for you. Then you can work on implementing a couple of things to try to help you. First, you need to set aside time that you are able to sit down and calmly be allowed to "vent" your feelings just as you experience them with the agreement that she will not try to change your feelings or discount those feelings as invalid. Be very careful not to attack her personally during those conversations, that is not what they are for. It should help you at the end of that conversation for her to repeat back to you what she heard you say so that you know that she understood what you told her. Before she goes off to one of these plays or trips (or whatever event is the trigger) she should come to you and give you reassurances regarding some of your biggest fears (ex. if she has a kissing scene and one of your fears is that she is enjoying that kiss on a personal level and may have desires for that individual, she could say to you "the kiss in the play is just an act in a play and I feel absolutely nothing for the actor in this scene. I love you and our life together and would never do anything to hurt you or to damage our marriage.). Another thing you could do is to schedule time together to just sit and hold one other and give each other reassurances after a particularly painful event for you. If you have these verbal reassurances, cuddling time, and the ability to express yourself and really be heard without being dismissed... these events should start to become less painful. It seems like a lot to do; however, your feelings are very real and valid. I am sure your wife loves you very much and wants to do all she can do to be sure you are not in such pain as you described here. I hope this helps you and your wife. I don't know that the particular counselor you and your wife went to was the right one for you. At some point you might try consulting another counselor (make sure the counselor understands what you want to achieve and feels prepared to help you do what you want).
Are "all" her friends single?, don't they ever include their wives, husbands or significant others? it seems very selfish of the group not to ever think of the others involved at all. I am not adopted, and "I" would have a problem with those vacations where I am being left out.....
the going away for 6 days...and I'm not Invited....
especially if they are seeming to want do this yearly,
I don't think many couples ( married or not) would be happy with this situation of being left out of it all the time.
I don't think that puts you into any monster category.
not sure what others here think, but I don't think you are out of line in your feelings about these trips.
but if you try to act like it does not bother you in order to seem okay....she may think your okay with it. and continue to plan more of them.
can't you level with her and tell her how very lonely you get when she is gone and have had a really hard time dealing with it ?
I second working with another counselor, preferably someone who understands adoption/abandonment issues. It is interesting to me that you have had a successful career helping others better their lives and yet you have not focused much on getting therapy for yourself at all. You may wish to consider some intensive individual therapy in addition to some couples work, though I don't see it as so much a couples issue per se. I realize your wife should consider your feelings and try to understand what you are going through and what your triggers are, but I don't see that her pursuing independent interests or taking vacations without you as inherently wrong or problematic.
I dunno. I guess it's a matter of individual preference and comfort level, but my spouse and I often are apart for 7-10 days at a time as he travels a few times a year on business and I sometimes go see family on my own over long weekends or week-long trips. We also have a lot of outside interests that we pursue independently. For us it's not an issue, but we are very compatable and have a lot of trust. I have been with other guys before where that trust wasn't there, for whatever reason, and I was NOT as comfortable with time apart.
Does your wife know how much this upsets you, or are you always putting up a front and acting like it doesn't bother you at all?? You are very articulate in writing, and seem to know yourself very well. I think you know you don't want to control her or be so reactive whenever she does something without you. Is there any way you could tell her how this makes you feel, that you know it's not how you want to react all the time, that you know it's an issue for you, but you don't know how to come to terms with it yet? Is there a compromise that you might be more comfortable with and would your wife be willing to do this?
I'm wondering if you could also pursue some things independently when she is taking a vacation or her time is otherwise occupied. Maybe there is a class you've always wanted to take or some hobby or club you'd like to try. Maybe if you did some things independently of your wife, it would help you understand that it can be a healthy thing to have some autonomy. You could also plan some special time together, so if you are doing things apart, you can look forward to coming together again as a couple. So, for instance, with the 40th birthday celebration, maybe plan something to keep your mind off of things while she is gone, do fun stuff with the kids, and when she returns, maybe the two of you go away for a long weekend or do something together with your kids as a family.
I don't know if this is making any sense, but just trying to throw some ideas out there.
It is apparent you are not comfortable with the way things are and how you are reacting, but do you really think the solution is for your wife to never go away without you again? To stop doing things she loves, like the plays? I think you know that's not what you'd want to impose on her and in the long run, it would backfire on you anyway, as she may end up feeling controlled, stifled, and suffocated.
It sounds like you really want to work on this, but I don't think you can do it alone. I hope you will consider professional counseling. And keep trying until you find one you work well with. Sometimes it takes going through a few until you find one that "clicks" and also sticking with the counseling for a good long time before you see results. These kinds of issues are not going to simply disappear overnight, but in time, and if you are willing to put in the work, I think you will be able to come to terms with this.
whatsnext..
I did not understand or know about the consequences of giving my son up for adoption all those years ago..
I am so sorry you are going through this.. so very sorry..
I also think that what you are going through is abandonment issues.. I gave my son up so he could be cared for properly.. Something I could not do..
Maybe learning about why women gave babies up in the sixties may help..
Jackie
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well of course a business trip is different....but planning fun trips and excluding someone who loves to be with you too, does seem like it could hurt. and yes I have gone for short visits to see friends when my husband did not have the leave available at work or was saving it for a special trip that we had planned.
but to regularly plan trips with out your loved one, and knowing he is feeling uncomfortable with it...does not seem very caring....some don't mind....but since he does , they need to find a solution...maybe him doing some traveling to see family or friends at the same time so he does not feel so left behind and depressed.
or maybe he could arrange a trip to give one of his speeches somewhere else at that time period .... maybe even in the same area she is going so they can touch base from time to time or plan an extra night there for a special time for just "them".
it would not feel nearly so bad if you were not sitting at home, alone, waiting......
Do remember that we can't change other people. We can only change ourselves (with difficulty). However, when we make changes in ourselves, those around us will have to change in response to our change. You need to deal with your issues of abandonment. Again, I encourage you to see a counselor to help get yourself healthy.
The first thing that struck me about your post is your incredible insightfulness. Your honesty and clarity are truly wonderful.
I am wondering if you have ever considered searching for your bmom? Perhaps I missed part of the story though and I apologize if that is the case.
I feel certain that everything you need is right inside of you. You just have to find it there...give yourself some credit - you deserve it!
:cheer:
Jackiejdajda
whatsnext..
I did not understand or know about the consequences of giving my son up for adoption all those years ago..
I am so sorry you are going through this.. so very sorry..
I also think that what you are going through is abandonment issues.. I gave my son up so he could be cared for properly.. Something I could not do..
Maybe learning about why women gave babies up in the sixties may help..
Jackie
First of all, thanks to everyone for their responses. I have a great deal to say, but no time right now to do it justice. Suffice to say that I'm grateful for everything that has been written.
But I immediately felt a strong urge to respond directly to you, Jackie.
I have never-at least not knowingly-blamed or judged my bmom for the decision that she made. There is a huge part of me that is genuinely grateful for the choice she made, as it has led me to the place where I am today. Had that choice not been made, I would not be married to a wonderful woman, and my two extraordinary children would not be who they are. I don't think I harbor anger or resentment in any way. Perhaps there is a deeper wound that I need to find a way to heal-but I'll do that, and I'll be OK. I don't perceive what I'm dealing with as anybody's fault. It simply is the way life is for me. And that's OK. Everybody has hurdles that they have to overcome. And you know the reasons you made that choice in your life. I think most of us who are adopted fully understand that they were made in the best interests of the child, and despite whatever problems we may face in our lives, it isn't reasonable, fair, or kind to harbor anger toward anyone!
BTW, just to clear up what may come across too strongly in my original post.....my wife does not plan trips with friends very often. I'm talking once a year here. She's quite sensitive to the fact that I'm uncomfortable with it. I've grown to be fine with short trips of a couple days or less. It's the longer ones that I fear right now!
Thanks again to everyone. I'll be adding more later!
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Ooops....guess it logged me in under the first screen name I registered with. I wanted to change it because I use it for many other things. But for clarity's sake, if it isn't obvious, I'm the OP on this thread...
Just trying my best to confuse people!! ;))
metsno1
I have never-at least not knowingly-blamed or judged my bmom for the decision that she made. There is a huge part of me that is genuinely grateful for the choice she made, as it has led me to the place where I am today. Had that choice not been made, I would not be married to a wonderful woman, and my two extraordinary children would not be who they are. I don't think I harbor anger or resentment in any way. Perhaps there is a deeper wound that I need to find a way to heal-but I'll do that, and I'll be OK. I don't perceive what I'm dealing with as anybody's fault. It simply is the way life is for me. And that's OK. Everybody has hurdles that they have to overcome. And you know the reasons you made that choice in your life. I think most of us who are adopted fully understand that they were made in the best interests of the child, and despite whatever problems we may face in our lives, it isn't reasonable, fair, or kind to harbor anger toward anyone!
I have a real hard time reading the posts written by men that have been relinquished and have issues of not being able to be left behind.. (not saying it the way you wrote it but trying to pull my thoughts)
And I do not want to do anything towards stopping you from sharing..
My daughter has dated men that have been relinquished and they have trouble with her because she is very very independent.. But she seems to be attracted to them.. I may be the reason why.. who knows..
What I was trying to say or sort.. was not my guilt (hopefully) but your understanding of the why of it.. and then knowing that what happened could not be avoided.. could not be changed.. and therefore accepting that the issue of abandonment is the correct issue but.. digesting it.. processing it.. accepting it.. so you no longer worry about being left..
The core reason.. not the emotional one.. maybe..
I hope I am not speaking out of turn because this is something I very badly want to sort..
My reunion with my bson is from afar and I know nothing of his emotional being or well being..
And I worry..
I think the why of it gives us our ahaђ moments.. and the understanding of how to accept and move on..
Or to quote twelve steps.. accept what we can not change.. and get right with it..
BTW, just to clear up what may come across too strongly in my original post.....my wife does not plan trips with friends very often. I'm talking once a year here. She's quite sensitive to the fact that I'm uncomfortable with it. I've grown to be fine with short trips of a couple days or less. It's the longer ones that I fear right now!
As I moved through my life I have learned how to deal with my emotions towards my husband and our relationship..
I know why I pull away from him.. I know why I am not huggy kissy like he wants to be.. and I hope he accepts that there are reasons why.. and we love each other anyway..
I am who I am.. I am the product of my life.. sort of thing..
I think just posting about your feelings must help.. and I hear you..
Please dont feel you have to reply right away.. a message can be read a week from now or tomorrow..
Jackie