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:grr: This is my first post on anything like this, I am desperate for some advice! ...I am a mother of 8 children ~ 4 adopted, 4 bio. "O" our 15 year old adopted son has been in a RTC for the last 3 months after a horrible 2 year period of 3 seperate psychiatric hospitalizations, juvenile detention, and a lengthy fight with DCF over providing specialized treatment for his diagnosis of RAD. We lost that battle, and he is in a state run RTC that really has not done much in the last 3 months, other than introduce him to some like minded peers who think of themselves as gang members. At least he is not home torturing the rest of the family, and holding us hostage with his out of control behavior, which include major property destruction, threatning, stealing, running away, etc..... Our other adopted children have not had any of these issues, and they were older than "O" when we adopted them.
I think I have come to the conclusion that my son does not have a conscious. He has always been what you might call..."self-centered", and my husband and I have always pretty good about sugar coating and explaining away alarming behaviors, but I am now scared of him and seriously want to consider a group home setting once he is out of the RTC. My husband is not on board with that, he thinks we should try to have him home one more time, but I am afraid of what he is capable of when he has his next outburst. He has had a few episodes at The RTC, but they have not seen what we see, and I think his therapist there thinks we are the bad guys now, that WE are the problem!
He was home last weekend, and came to me and said he would like to go see his doctor, because he is afraid he is "shooting blanks" since his girlfriend has not been able to get pregnant. Apparently they have tried! when i told him how absurd that idea is, and how would he be able to care for a baby, he said he would tell his girlfriend to "kill it" , ie..have an abortion. It sent chills up my spine! Then he said we could take care of it if she didnt, since we already have custody of another grandchild. He did not feel that was too much to ask, it is his child! I told him that Dad and I are not raising anymore children, and he got pissed at me and walked out of the room, slamming doors. I was actually encouraged by the fact that he was able to stop himself from a full blown episode, but it occured to me later that he CHOSE not to, because he didnt want an episode to interupt the plans he had that afternoon. he has said in the past that he plans out his "tantrums, outbursts"? not sure what to calll them...he starts to plan them when he is bored or wants to escape something coming up at school or to punish someone. that scares me tremendously.
He has had a history of cutting, and after a recent fight with his girlfriend, he cut her initial in his arm, he said to make her feel bad. I believe that is his motivation, he controls people with his charm and wit. Yes, he is VERY charming and endearing, but not in a genuine way. In a manipulative and self serving way, but I still fall for it, as does everyone he knows. He is good at turning on the charm, really good.
So....i guess my question is this, is there any hope that he will get better? Should I agree to bring him home one more time with all the same supports that failed the last 4 times we brought him home from hospitalizations and detention? Right now I say no, But I am hoping to get insight and feedback from parents who have been in our shoes! Thank you for reading this looooong vent! :thanks:
Wow, you have certainly been through a lot with your adopted son! And, it seems like his behavior would definitely be hard to know how to handle. So, I'm glad he seems to be getting some input from a therapist. But, have you and your husband also sought out some professional help in responding to him? It seems like you could really use some guidance from someone with some background in this type of behavior.
Also, since your son struggles with RAD, I wondered if you'd find help from some of material out there directed towards parents of these kids. In particular, you might want to check out Dr. Karyn Purvis' material. She wrote a book titled The Connected Child and has a website called empoweredtoconnect.org that has a lot of information on behavior problems in kids with RAD. I even heard her speak one time while working at Focus on the Family and was impressed with how much experience she has in this area. So, just something to look into if you have a moment.
Well, I hope you know my prayers are with you! Hang in there!
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I'm not at all suprised the RTC might think you're the problem. Kids with RAD often seem to do better in facilities as they have no expectation of giving back. And the staff had to be nice to them no matter how they act. And boy can they be charming.
If it were me, and I were afraid of him, I would not bring him home if I could find any other option. He isn't likely going to change in the short time before he becomes an adult. Will he change as an adult? Maybe some, if he so chooses to work at it. Doesn't sound to me like he even acknowledges that there is anything to work on. You cannot change him, he has to want it.
He went to therapy with a RAD therapist for about 10 months who feels he has "an emerging conduct disorder". All of the therapists that have worked with him feel he is very complex at the least, one warned us that he most likely has an anti-social personality. At the time, I disagreed and insisted he does have a conscious and listed reasons why. Now that I am being more honest with myself, I have to admit that I was making excuses for him. Sometimes, i outright lied about things he did. For example: he once knocked a nest of baby birds out of a tree. He was about 11. I think he killed them then buried them, i knew he did it but he said he found them on the ground already dead...i was afraid to tell his therapist initially. I ended up telling her a few weeks later, she already suspected he did it.
He has not called us in a week because we challenged him on his desire to get his girlfriend pregnant. In the past, this would make us feel awful, and WE would end up apologizing so we could "get back to normal". I think that he thinks he is punishing us by not calling.
He is supposed to come home for an overnight visit tomorrow for a court date on wed. (he has pending assault charges from an incident at a hospital where he physically attacked a female staff member) I am strongly considering not bringing him home for an overnight visit this time....this is not going well.
Will your husband be home the entire time, if he's there for an "overnight" visit? I note your husband was favoring having him home. Given the attack on the female staff, and... oh, let me guess, various attacks on your family... I *think* if I were you, I would want to be sure my husband was the one to deal with all discipline needed.
Just want to let you know you are not alone. Our 14 yr old as was diagnosed with RAD this year. That was after being hospitalized 6 times last year before finally being put in an rtc. In the beginning we felt the rtc staff believed we were the problem.He was charming and well behaved there. We didnt' give up and kept working through it. The therapist and case manager eventually realized it wasn't us but our son that was the problem. In fact they even said they couldn't believe we didn't give up because they have seen parents give up with alot less problems. Our son was in rtc from sept last year until aug this year. He had started doing better- we had about seven weekend visits in a row that went really good. H e had started admitting he was the problem-only he could control his behavior. The insurance was no longer going to pay for rtc but wetold them he wasn't ready to come home so he was moved to a theraputic foster home. I am glad we didn't bring him home because he is showing his behaviors in tfc. He stole something and got caught. the foster dAd said he noticed his whole attitude change after that. Two days later he ran away and tried to head here. he was picked up by police and taken to school. He told them he was going to keep running until he came home and then changed it to he wanted to go back to rtc. Part of this may be because he doesnt have overnight visits right now. But I know we were right not to bring him home yet.
Only you know him and if you feel he should be home. If you don't feel safe don't let him come home. I know what it is like to be afraid of your child. I was because he has tried to hurt me in past. I have felt scared that he may come home and at the same time scared he might never come home. The amount of problems your son has will not be fixed overnight. It is going to take a long time if ever. Do what is best for your whole family.
Last year our son was very good at manipulating my husband to believe things weren't as bad as they were and that I was the problem. One thing that has helped us is counseling. Our pastor gave us the name of a christian counselor to see if she could help us with our son. She told us the best thing she could do for us was to help us stay together. She has been a lifesaver. She has helped us get on the same page and instead of being pulled apart we are closer then ever. This of course has really made our son not happy when he tries to manipulate us.
Take care of yourself and do what you knoww is best.
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We have weekly "family sessions" at the RTC where our son has been for the last few months. We went into todays session prepared to discuss the difficulties we had at this past weekends home visit. (he manipulated and lied his way into going to his girlfriends house unsupervised, which we dont allow since he admits to trying to get her pregnant)
About 10 minutes into the session he started yelling at me and called me a liar because i got some insignificant fact wrong on my retelling of the weekends events to the therapist. My husband got up, and said we should leave because he didnt want to tolerate him talking to me that way. Our son then got up and assaulted my husband right there in the therapist office. He was pounding on him, and attempted to gouge his eye, scratching his face up and drawing blood. It was not the worst we have seen him, but close. If this was at home, it would have been a 911 call for sure.
We are pretty sure that he can not come home, we both agree on this. But what do we do from here? A group home? How is that going to help him? How long can he stay at a RTC? I just dont know what to do from here.....any advice?????
i was once one of those "bad" kids...("normal" as can be now!) he is pushing you away, as hard as he can, proving you will leave him... its too scary for someone to stick around! I know its tough as parents, but never give up on him, even if it just from afar... by no means do i think that his actions should not have equal consequences, but he is proving to himself as we speak that you will "leave" him... this is just my personal experience... best of luck! hope thathelp you understand a bit!