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Yes wow. How long have you had the kids? It must be one of those area things, because for the first while they really do not like contact here. Nugget was with us for months and we didn't offer our number (our idea, not the counties) until we knew bm was safe. We have never spoken to Frogger's bm outside of court and in the presence of the CW. I have been told she is a manipulator and in our little contact I have already seen it. No way is she communicating with us outside proper channels.