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I'm exhausted! Have spent the past 3 days trying to get to the bottom of something that happened between my kiddos (once RAD, now beginning to attach, much more stable and calm), a friend (moderate RAD, lies to parents, steals, etc.), and a third sibling group (healthy, "good kids" whose parents believe they don't lie).
Situation:
Mine told me on ride home that the "good kids" had confronted them at dinner (kids were sitting in booth, 3 sets of parents at nearby table), telling them they should show appreciation to their parents for "buying" them and keeping them together, that they were expensive (named a $ amount--just so happened to be the amount a friend of the lecturer's parents recently paid to bring a child home from Africa...WE adopted through foster care, so this kid clearly didn't know what she was talking about, but not really the point of the story). And finally, that they needed to "go over right now and tell your parents how thankful you are that they adopted you. Cuz if I was the mom, I would have split you up." :eek:
Mine said this came completely out of nowhere, that they had all been haggling over who would get the last breadstick when the main ("good"/non-RAD kid) started her lecture. Unfortunately, nobody came over immediately to tell the parents. But mine did tell as soon as we started driving home and ALL had the same story and ALL were offended and ALL thought the girl had no business saying that and had meant to hurt their feelings. (I doubt she meant to hurt them. She really does seem like a nice girl. I think she was just relaying her other friend's frustration at getting a new sib who "cost so much". )
So I sat on this wondering what to do. I don't know their parents well, but I know the other adopted/RAD kid very well, so I called and explained what had happened, asked if her kid had mentioned it. (She hadn't.) She quizzed her kid, and the kid stood up for the main lecturer. Said she said it "in a nice way" and hadn't meant any harm by it. (NOTE: This RAD kid and the main lecturer have become close friends and have known each other for 3 months...just 2 weeks longer than mine have known her. But "good kid" doesn't hang with mine, only with RADish. That's fine, RADish needs a good friend and role model in her life because she's constantly lying about my kids and losing their friendship. Anyway, I digress...)
I confronted "good kid's" mom yesterday in as kind a manner as I could. I didn't want good kid to get in too much trouble because she is barely 13 (mine are 16, 15, and 13). Kids say stupid things sometimes, but she and her sis needed to hear how it had offended my 3 and maybe learn some better ways to talk about adoption. BUT..."Good kid's" mom immediately said, "My (kid) would never say that. I know her heart and she would never say such a mean thing." She looked mad, but marched off to get all of the kids (hers, mine, and the more severe RADish) to hash it out.
Result:
Kids came in, she had mine tell what they were upset about. At first "good kid" denied. Said she had been talking about her friend whose parents are adopting, not about my kids. Mine insisted she had looked right at them and pointed at them. Little sis of "good" kid denied, too, about saying they should have been separated for adoption. BUT...their mom asked moderate RADish what she heard. She reluctantly admitted that "good" kid had indeed said they should go over and thank their parents (me) for adopting them together, "But not in a mean way!"...and that good kid's little sis had indeed said mine should have been separated.
OK, so it was out. Good kids' mom was furious, said they had no right to say that, made them apologize, then they went home. She later texted an apology and then her husband called to apologize. Whew...issue taken care of, moving on, able to let go...
Until...moderate RADish's mom (my friend of 1.5 years whom I've helped through difficult times with her kid, reminding her that it's the trauma history that drives her behaviors, that she's not out to ruin adoptive parents' lives, that she's always in survival mode)...told me she thought mine had "blown it out of proportion" and that mine were "overly sensitive" and implied that mine were lying about most of it anyway. (My 1.5 yr friend whom I've helped to calm when she catches her kid in lie said to me today: "My kid/RADish said there was no finger pointing, "good kid" didn't use a snotty tone, and she meant it like they just need to be thankful to be in a good home now. Oh, and she said they never used the word "bought" or "buy," but said "it COST x amount.")
There's so much more to this story that leads me to believe moderate RAD said some things about my kids to "good" kid to make her not like them and I believe this is what led good kid to say what she did. But moderate RAD is denying and her mom (my "friend") believes her over my kids and thinks mine are either lying or just making a mountain out of a mole hill, and that it likely stems from their jealousy of her daughter. o.m.g.
And the clincher is...every single time something like this has happened and I've had to point out the factual inaccuracies in her kid's story, the truth eventually surfaces and she's livid with her kid! And it seems to blind side her each and every time!
Mine are healing...they're much more open with me and when they do lie, I can usually talk them into truth through therapeutic (loving, understanding) techniques. They certainly didn't concoct this story to "ruin the friendship between "good girl" and RADish as my "friend" seems to think. They had no reason to! They like "good" girl because she has always been kind to them! (Until the other night.) My "friend" even had the audacity to say mine are just jealous of her RADish's and "good" kid's friendship and that it had taken RADish away from them.
OMG! They've stayed friends with RADish because I continually remind them of her trauma history and that she's not in a good place emotionally or physically and I encourage them to forgive her because they used to be in the same place. (But Mom gets VERY angry with her behaviors, acts like RADish is doing them to her personally...hard to help a kid heal when you treat her that way. Thus why I've remained in the picture, trying to help her parent RADish therapeutically as I did mine.)
:eek: I'm just at wit's end...She's protecting her kid because she thinks mine are ALL lying. (Mine have never ALL lied, and she knows it! Yes, they all lie, but they generally do it 1 or 2 at a time. Somebody always finks on the others. But my 3 ALL had the same story within 10 min of it happening, and they didn't have the time or place to work to get their story straight. How can my "friend" not see that?!
Clearly "good kid" and moderate RADish are protecting each other. And to make matters worse, "good kid's" mom is a newish friend to RADish's mom (my supposed "Friend") and they've been talking so that now good kid's mom ALSO thinks my 3 are behind this and made it up....EVEN THOUGH THEY ADMITTED TO IT YESTERDAY! What the heck are these moms thinking?! :mad:
I know what I need to do. I just need to walk away. I need to pull my 3 from an activity they enjoy and share with these other kids, because now I'm angry with the kids and their moms. MY kids are angry at the kids and moms. I don't know how this can be repaired. :(
And still a part of me is worried and sad for the RADish once the truth comes to light. Her mom will come unglued. And she'll never have the chance to heal. She can be a really great kid--I've seen it. But lately she has glared at mine and seems insecure in her friendship with "good kid." I think that's likely where this stems from...she may have wanted to prevent her pal from befriending mine, so she likely said some awful things about mine and now "good kid" is sticking to the lie and protecting RADish because she believes whatever she told her.
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I don't have a kid with RAD, so this may not be applicable
I have had kids say unkind things to J about being adopted (not being with her real mom, etc)
I used to try to fix the other kid/talk to their parents/protect MY kid. At some point, I stopped. It seemed like all i was teaching my kid was that the other accusations (no matter how inaccurate) were even more horrible than that actually are. (why else would i be going off the handle?)
At that point, i changed my attack. If I have a good relationship with the other parent, I'll give them a heads up
But otherwise, I talk through the situation with my DD: help her understand the inaccuracies of the information, reiterate that she is amazing, and help her brainstorm on how to handle bullies
getting sucked into tween drama was not working for us
but again, with RAD, ymmv
best of luck
-w
What you ALL need to keep in mind that this is not a situation where there is no way to tell. At this point all the children have stated the conversation happened (even those who deny being rude) here is the key. This is like Sexual Harassment at work it does not matter how the speaker meant it to be perceived it only matters how it was perceived. So whether they meant to be mean/rude or not it doesn't matter all that matters is that they understand what they DID IN FACT SAY hurt the others feelings.
Good points, both of you. Not engaging is safest for my kiddos at this point.
But the girl does need to understand that she hurt mine. Her little sis seemed to and she cried and apologized. The older one wouldn't look at mine, inferred that mine were lying, did eventually own up to it and said she never meant to hurt them. There was a group hug at the end, but mine are still angry/disappointed in her, especially. But what really bothers them is that the RADish that they've stuck by for 1.5 years lied about several other things that involve this story (though she did eventually tell truth, sort of, about what she saw. Said it happened, but was said in a "nice" way). They feel she is siding with her new friend instead of her long-time friends.
And I agree, and I think I'm hurt by what her mom said and how she rushed to the defense of the "good girl." Granted, she didn't hear/see the conversation, and she believes "good girl" could never say such a thing in the way my girls perceived it, but...why on earth tell me mine were just jealous and trying to ruin her daughter's new friendship?! Man, that hurt! It seemed like she was even hinting that I could be jealous of her (my friend's) new friendship with "good girl's" mom, and so might have not been seeing things clearly, just siding with my kids. :eek: Good grief! I did complain to my husband 2 months ago that it seemed I was being "dumped" and replaced (we families used to do everything together), but at the same time, I was kind of relieved. She's a high maintenance, high energy (lots of drama :rolleyes: ) woman, so not having her call daily to see what we could do together was kind of a relief. ;) And I figured "good girl's" mom could be a good influence on her for how to parent typical teen/kid behaviors without coming unglued.
I am sad for both my "friend" and her kid when the truth (of what her kid did that set this whole conversation going) finally comes to light, a little worried that "good kid's" mom is going to be ticked and unhappy that my "friend" so easily dismissed me and then my "friend" will be alone again. After the first time their RADish lied and mom fell for it/got angry with my kid (about 1 year ago), they thanked us for sticking it out with them and told us their RADish had sabotaged a number of friendships already (after 4 years of being here). We assured them that we understood AD and that we couldn't be scared off that easily. And yet, this does seem like the last straw. I just can't do this anymore and am incredibly hurt.
Sorry to vent so much, just wanted to make it clear that yes, what they said was awful, but the real difficulty is how to navigate friendships when dealing with RAD and AD. I know the kid isn't attached, I know she lies/steals, etc., and I warn mom each time it WILL happen again until she gets proper attachment therapy. Mine got it, mine are (mostly) healed. Hers got a little of it (same AT), but they stopped going and parents never parented therapeutically, anyway, but rather screamed at her, shoved her, etc. when she'd do what AD kids do. :( Uh, I just need to let it go and move on. Thanks so much for listening.
i recently had a disagreement with a friend i've known for 18 years. she had already made up her mind about the situation, was offended that i didn't see it her way, and has been completely ignoring the fact that in 18 years i've only ever been honest with her. doesn't matter--she has decided that her point of view is the only one that matters.
i tell you this because until the light of truth decides to shine, you will never make your so-called friends hear you or believe what you say.
let it go, let it go, find another activityyyyy-yyyy! don't associate. don't engage. don't anything. don't even be angry. you know the truth and they eventually will. or they won't. either way, it's immaterial. they've shown that they have an alliance that doesn't really include you or your kids.
it will hit the fan. it always does. at that point, they'll either come to you or they won't. and again, you're good. you can help or not. no, the kid won't heal with a parent and family friend who fall for the manipulations. and that's sad. but it isn't your business if they don't want it to be. and honestly, not all RAD kids do heal. we want them to. we offer our help. but it has to be accepted. this mom has made her choice.
you've been a good friend. you've been a good mom. now it's time to teach your kids that you do not have to accept toxic relationships.
i am sorry.
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