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I've written occasionally about the problems we've been having with the bmom of our 2nd child. Our first adoption is very open and while its not perfect, its really quite good overall and I think the relationship will benefit the child in the long run.
With this baby and bmom, I don't think a relationship will benefit the child. But I cannot tell if thats just because I am angry at her for certain behaviors during and after the pregnancy or if its legitimate to feel the child will really be better off without her presence.
There was extensive drug use during pg (baby was born postive), continues to be violence, drug use, arrests/jail time on and off, and lots of illegal activity in bmom's life. Bmom has no stable place to live, no job, lost custody of her other kids, etc. We live several states away so I'm not concerned about that kind of stuff finding its way to our home, just not sure how to foster even a healthy long-distance, long-term relationship for baby with all of this as the backdrop.
Boundaries/limit setting don't work too well with bmom. I would really like to have a pictures/letters relationship with her. Would have no problem sending frequent updates that way, but really I do not have the emotional energy for the calls with all their drama. Bmom won't agree to that b/c she has no address where she can receive mail. I had sent a letter recently to her last known place where she was staying. Just after it went in the mail, I get a message from her saying that she is now banned from that location (restraining order) b/c of illegal activity.
Anyway, now my method of communication with her is non-existant. And I avoid her calls. The last message she left was angry. On one level I don't blame her. I hate situations where adoptive parents promise ongoing contact and then go back on that promise. I never thought I'd be an adoptive parent who would do that. I believe so strongly in the importance of open adoption in most cases -- for the benefit of the child. But, I realize that I did not think all this through properly before baby was born. I never should have agreed to ongoing contact with all that was going on in bmom's life. We have no official "agreement." There is nothing in writing and even if there was, such agreements are not legally binding in either state involved. It was a verbal agreement we had. Mostly based on our first child's adoption. We had told this bmom the extent of openness in that first adoption and she said she wanted the same level of contact (regular phone calls, pictures and visits when possible).
Keep asking myself if now her situation is actually worse than it was during the pg when we were in touch for 7 months prior to the birth. In some ways it really is. And also, I think I am burned out from all of it.
The other thing that sticks in my mind is what birth-aunt said to us just before we left their state with the (then) newborn baby. She said, "you take this baby, get before a judge as fast as you can, make sure its all done and final and don't ever look back. don't even try to have a relationship with her (bmom). being far away from her is the best thing that can ever happen to this baby." was she speaking out of bitterness or the wisdom of experience? (probably both but I cannot get her words or her seriousness of tone out of my mind).
Sorry to ramble. Grateful in advance for any support or advice.
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It doesn't sound to me like you are talking about closing the adoption, only stopping visits and phone calls. That is within your right to do so..... and I would do the same if I was in your shoes.
It is not your reponsibility to have to take phone calls because she can't give you an address. My suggestion then is to set up a web page on a FREE site and give the bmom the internet address to visit it and see pictures and be able to communicate with you. I did this for my dd first 18 months of life. Bmom did not have a computer or bfather, but they could go to the local library and use it for free.
I would stop all communication with her by phone and any visits until she starts cleaning up her act. Since she has illegal activity, can't hold a place to live and appears the drug use continues and the poor baby was born addicted... YIKES...... I think baunt had the CHILD's best interest at heart. Too bad you can't keep in contact with her.
It's time the bmom grew up and started acting responsible. Good luck on what you decide. :grouphug:
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Ess, I am so sorry you are going through this. It sounds to me too like you don't really want to close the adoption, but that you cannot engage in the kind of phone calls, etc. with birth mom RIGHT NOW. I think it may make sense to have a conversation with her about that and I also like Mom2's idea too. Good luck, Karen
I am so sorry you are experiencing. I think you have some real valid concerns. Now, how do you implement the changes in contact? Do you have an agency that can help mediate between you two? I think you need to talk to bmom when she calls next, be prepared for the back lash. She will not understand, I imagine, and will be angry. Reiterate that you are not closing the adoption, but are feeling the need to only send pictures and letters due to her behavior. Does she have a relative that you can send letters to where she can pick them up?
(((HUGS)))
How old is the baby? Have you finalized the adoption yet? I would be careful and talk to a layer before making any changes. There are cases where the bmom can claim Fraud or somehtign like that saying you had planned an open adoption and had one and then cut her off. I'd just want to make sure you didn't have a legal obligation to her before you speak with her about it.
I would put your childs needs first regardless of what you talked about before hand. Look at the long term picture here. What kind of contact do you feel is best for your child? How did you want her to benefit from an open adoption when you started this adoption.
Will the bmom always be like this? Or will there come a time when she grows up some more and make some better choices in her life. Will you have been glad you waited and did what you could to build that relationship along the way. Or is it better for your child to never have direct contact and just wait unitl she is older for that?
Open adoption isn't for everyone in it's (direct form). Sometimes semi-open is better. If she doesn't have a reliable address maybe you can use a family member of hers to receive letters for her. OR maybe your agency would be best. At least until more time has passed. The problem with that is it's hard to tell where a person is emotionally, lifestyle wise etc...if you aren't at least in phone contact with her or have some way of knowing what is going on in her life along the way. How will you ever know when her life is more stable. you can't relly on her to tell you the truth of what's all going on in her life....especially if she knows your waiting for her to clean up her act. She'll just put this fake front on when your around or in her letters etc.
I guess my opinion would be to not talk to her about it at this point in time. Just keep on as your going. Only answer or return her calls when you feel ready to talk to her. If she asks for a visit just be upfront with her and tell her not at this time. Your baby doesn't have to have any direct contact with her. until you feel she is ready for that. But that doesn't mean you can't still stay in contact with her.
Another thing I would advice is you mentioned being angry. Well, don't make these decision when your angry. Think about them, write out pros and cons to your choices and then re-visit them again when your not so upset about it and your mind is a little clearer.
This is a life long relationship your daughter will or will not have with her birthmother. She will always be her birthmother and may very well want a relationship with her when she is older. Would you rather be there by herside through out her life helping her through that relationship or would you rather her deal with it by herself when she is out of the house?
My kids come from hard circumstnaces as well (fostercare) but I know they will have lots of questions, concerns and anger, sadness adn love for their first families. I want to be there for my kids along the way to help them throguh all these emotions. Soemday they will have to deal with all those feelings all by thyemselves that's justa part of growing, but until then, I can't erase or pretend they don't exist. They do, they always will, that hurt will always be there as well as the love they wil have for them. So I want to accept my kids for who they are, where they have come from and who they will become. Their birthfamilies are a part of that.
ess922
I've written occasionally about the problems we've been having with the bmom of our 2nd child. Our first adoption is very open and while its not perfect, its really quite good overall and I think the relationship will benefit the child in the long run. With this baby and bmom, I don't think a relationship will benefit the child. But I cannot tell if thats just because I am angry at her for certain behaviors during and after the pregnancy or if its legitimate to feel the child will really be better off without her presence. There was extensive drug use during pg (baby was born postive), continues to be violence, drug use, arrests/jail time on and off, and lots of illegal activity in bmom's life. Bmom has no stable place to live, no job, lost custody of her other kids, etc. We live several states away so I'm not concerned about that kind of stuff finding its way to our home, just not sure how to foster even a healthy long-distance, long-term relationship for baby with all of this as the backdrop. Boundaries/limit setting don't work too well with bmom. I would really like to have a pictures/letters relationship with her. Would have no problem sending frequent updates that way, but really I do not have the emotional energy for the calls with all their drama. Bmom won't agree to that b/c she has no address where she can receive mail. I had sent a letter recently to her last known place where she was staying. Just after it went in the mail, I get a message from her saying that she is now banned from that location (restraining order) b/c of illegal activity. Anyway, now my method of communication with her is non-existant. And I avoid her calls. The last message she left was angry. On one level I don't blame her. I hate situations where adoptive parents promise ongoing contact and then go back on that promise. I never thought I'd be an adoptive parent who would do that. I believe so strongly in the importance of open adoption in most cases -- for the benefit of the child. But, I realize that I did not think all this through properly before baby was born. I never should have agreed to ongoing contact with all that was going on in bmom's life. We have no official "agreement." There is nothing in writing and even if there was, such agreements are not legally binding in either state involved. It was a verbal agreement we had. Mostly based on our first child's adoption. We had told this bmom the extent of openness in that first adoption and she said she wanted the same level of contact (regular phone calls, pictures and visits when possible). Keep asking myself if now her situation is actually worse than it was during the pg when we were in touch for 7 months prior to the birth. In some ways it really is. And also, I think I am burned out from all of it. The other thing that sticks in my mind is what birth-aunt said to us just before we left their state with the (then) newborn baby. She said, "you take this baby, get before a judge as fast as you can, make sure its all done and final and don't ever look back. don't even try to have a relationship with her (bmom). being far away from her is the best thing that can ever happen to this baby." was she speaking out of bitterness or the wisdom of experience? (probably both but I cannot get her words or her seriousness of tone out of my mind). Sorry to ramble. Grateful in advance for any support or advice.
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Thank you for all of your helpful input. To answer some questions posed:
1. Yes, we have already finalized the adoption. Baby is under 6 mos old.
2. No, there is no agency that could help us mediate the situation. We used a private adoption atty. He is unsupportive of open adoption in general. His view is that we should gradually stop contact with bmom anyway (even if the circumstances were not as they are, this is what he'd advocate).
3. We tried the idea of reaching out to the birth-aunt I mentioned (as well as to another birth-aunt and one of the b-grandmas). That is exactly what we had hoped for (and what we thought they wanted based on our conversations with them when baby was born). None of them have responded to our latest attempts at sending pics/updates. Plus, bmom has very troubled relationships with all 3 of these people. She is no longer living near them and I have no idea how often she is in touch.
I am just so furious with her that I cannot imagine actually picking up the phone the next time she calls. Again, not wanting to reveal too much... but to fully understand this, I need to say that shortly after baby's birth (but past the post-birth window of time for continued living expense support in our state), bmom called us frantically (every 1/2 hour for a while on a few days) to ask that we provide our credit card info to a hotel manager so she would not be kicked out of where she was staying. Also, she told us openly about the illegal activities she was running from that very motel. Needless to say we did not finance this for her. We told her that legally we can no longer help her with living expenses. Every time I think about that series of calls, it makes me mad all over again. Its such a symbol of the poor choices she makes and how she puts the baby last. And a symbol of how much she used us in different ways during/after the pregnancy. But, on our part, we did allow it to go on and we should not have!
Yes, as someone said, we did agree to the placement. Knowing on some level all the drama that would come with that. Or at least we should have. I think thats part of what I am upset about (in some ways, I wish we had backed out of this before baby was born). I know that sounds terrible to say... But this stuff with bmom is really negatively effecting my abilility to bond and connect with the baby. Its so sad!:(
Anyway, again, thanks for the support and words to consider.
ess922
Thank you for all of your helpful input. To answer some questions posed: 1. Yes, we have already finalized the adoption. Baby is under 6 mos old.2. No, there is no agency that could help us mediate the situation. We used a private adoption atty. He is unsupportive of open adoption in general. His view is that we should gradually stop contact with bmom anyway (even if the circumstances were not as they are, this is what he'd advocate).3. We tried the idea of reaching out to the birth-aunt I mentioned (as well as to another birth-aunt and one of the b-grandmas). That is exactly what we had hoped for (and what we thought they wanted based on our conversations with them when baby was born). None of them have responded to our latest attempts at sending pics/updates. Plus, bmom has very troubled relationships with all 3 of these people. She is no longer living near them and I have no idea how often she is in touch. I am just so furious with her that I cannot imagine actually picking up the phone the next time she calls. Again, not wanting to reveal too much... but to fully understand this, I need to say that shortly after baby's birth (but past the post-birth window of time for continued living expense support in our state), bmom called us frantically (every 1/2 hour for a while on a few days) to ask that we provide our credit card info to a hotel manager so she would not be kicked out of where she was staying. Also, she told us openly about the illegal activities she was running from that very motel. Needless to say we did not finance this for her. We told her that legally we can no longer help her with living expenses. Every time I think about that series of calls, it makes me mad all over again. Its such a symbol of the poor choices she makes and how she puts the baby last. And a symbol of how much she used us in different ways during/after the pregnancy. But, on our part, we did allow it to go on and we should not have! Yes, as someone said, we did agree to the placement. Knowing on some level all the drama that would come with that. Or at least we should have. I think thats part of what I am upset about (in some ways, I wish we had backed out of this before baby was born). I know that sounds terrible to say... But this stuff with bmom is really negatively effecting my abilility to bond and connect with the baby. Its so sad!:( Anyway, again, thanks for the support and words to consider.
ess922
I think thats part of what I am upset about (in some ways, I wish we had backed out of this before baby was born). I know that sounds terrible to say... But this stuff with bmom is really negatively effecting my abilility to bond and connect with the baby. Its so sad!:(
It has been really comforting to read your replies. Thank you! Its sad, but helpful to know that others have been in a similar place in their relationship with bparents.
Just after I was on here last night, I checked my email and low and behold, bmom had written. 1/2 a sentence to ask us for access to some online pics. I emailed back immediately. Wanted to encourage email/mail contact. Of course, I got no reply to that email. But I did get a text message on my cell phone today, repeating the same question she'd emailed. Then, also in the mail today, I received back the letter I'd tried sending to her. Whoever opened it had written across the top of the letter that bmom is "living on the streets" and instructed us that we are never ever to send any mail to her at that address again.
Its just so sad! I cannot take it. I am this close to changing my cell phone number, discontinuing that email address and being completely done with bmom. We moved since baby was born and will not give her our new address or home phone number. So the cell and email are all she has left as far as contacting us. I know I shouldn't cut her off like that and I'm not sure I could actually go through with it. But the temptation is there. Because today is a perfect example. Every which way I try to reach out to her does not work and it just leaves me so frustrated. Geez, now I know I am rambling. Very sorry!
I'll stop now. But really, thanks again for all the support. It is incredibly meaningful to me.
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Ess...there are on line sites that are free that you can post pics on. Its like your own free web site. You can put text (updates) and pics as well as design your pages. you can use this website to keep all members of your family updated with pics...as well as let the bmom know and she can check it out whenever she can. . Its fun and its usable by more than just the bmom. PM me if you want to the name of a free site so you can check it out. P.S. the web sites are easy to do. Take care warm wishes...MamaTo6
ess922, I understand your ambivalence about changing your numer and e-mail address. It seems like you are wanting to both keep yourself safe and free yourself from some of this stress and at the same time allow for future correspondence and the possibility that things may change down the road. I really admire you. I think there are several ways you can do both of those. One is the free website as listed by the above poster. Another is to hire a mediator through which phone calls and pics can be sent. Another is to open a P.O. Box and give her that address to let you know where she can be reached and then you make the decision on how/when to respond. Another is to hire an attorney as mediator. Another is to hire an agency as mediator. On and on I could go - but one thing seems certain at this point - you are not feeling comfortable and safe with her having your e-mail and phone number. CHANGE THEM. Do not feel guily about protecting yourself from this kind of stress. But I agree - do something to allow for correspondence - just make it something which you are comfortable with. I also would not completely cut off contact with the birthmom - but it needs to be healthy contact for all of you. Please - don't let the stress get to the point where you are so resentful that it interferes with your bonding or parenting or just daily life. You can fix it before it gets to that point. Best wishes. Christie S.
If she generally lives in the same area, have you considered paying for a PO Box for her, so she always has a place to pick up the updates? And, what about a PO Box for you so she can mail you letters? Anything that you send (to any address for her) make sure you make and keep a copy of it at home, just in case it never makes it to her you'll ahve them for later. Copy the letter and copies of pictures. Another positive to doing this is the ability to show your child at a later date all the things you did send, that sending them did matter to you... which could some day matter to your child.
Another poster mentioned online photo albums, this is also an option. Shutterfly (as well as other's I'm sure) have web sites that you can sign up for that you can post pictures to, it's free. You can choose the web address.
I can hear your exhaustion, I hope you are able to find a solution.
Well, I took lots of the suggestions here to heart. I wrote an email to bmom (thanks to the person I PM'd for feedback, it helped a lot!) letting her know what would be willing to do to establish mail and email contact with her.
Offered to set up and regularly maintain a website, offered to mail letters and pics to another address for her as long as she gave us some proof that she could actually receive mail at that address (she moves around too much for a PO box in one particular area). Did not offer to set up a PO box where she can write to us. Said she could start by writing to us c/o the adoption atty. Want to see if she could even follow through on that.
But here's the most telling part, we already have pics up on one of the photo-sites. Its password protected there. She has been frantically text messaging me all week asking for the password (which we gave her months ago when we originally posted the pics). Its not all that hard -- we had specifically made it easy for her to remember, baby's initials and birthdate. But anyway, every time she'd text message me from a different phone asking for the password IMMEDIATELY, marking most of the messages as URGENT.
We answered the first one and sent the password in an email. But kept receiving more messages from her. Finally, I just said back that we'd already provided it and to check her email. And the main thing I stressed in the email is that we want to know from her that she is viewing the pictures. All, she has to to do is let us know she is seeing them and we'd post new ones.
As I titled this post -- its a non-update. Because, do you think she wrote back to let us know she got the password and read our letter to her? Of course not.
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