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[FONT="Arial Narrow"]I realize that this possibly is the most off topic post on these forums, but I am apartment ridden this wekened with a nasty nasty cold, and I just got some pretty upsetting news, even if it seems trivial to the older and wiser here on the forums, I just needed to get this out of my system.
As some of you know, I go back and forth from Italy to New York. I was raised in both Sicily and NYC. I'll be moving back to Italy July 2010 .
I dated a man, Antonio, back when I was still living in Italy for about 2 years. He and had the same circle of friends.We were absolutely infatuated with eachother. When I made the decision to move back to New York , one that had been organizzed long before I met Antonio, I was heartbroken. We attempted to stay together while I moved across the Atlantic, but of course our romance fizzled out by Christmas. I've visited him 3 times since moving back to NY in late 07- and we remained very close friends, and we promised to get back together as soon as I was permanently in Italy.
Well he was supposed to come to New York at the end of the month to stay with me and tour the city and visit. We planned this for MONTHS. He had his tickets, and I found myself buying the perfume he loved that I used to wear.
Many of our friends had suggested to me that he was going to propose at the top of the Empire State Building, as he had told them all about it. I was absolutely SO happy. I would have moved back to Italy had he proposed- and I even began studying my old italian textbooks to prepare for the possibility that I would be returning.
I found out a few days ago that he would not be coming to the USA. First he told me it was money issues, which I didn't quite believe because his father owns a portion of AGIP- the Italian oil company. Then he told me it was because his family didn't want him in the USA because of the Swine Flu. I accepted that , though I was heartbroken.
Well today he finally came clean. He has been dating someone else for a month or so, and they are going to Paris together. She only had free time off of work during the next few weeks, so he sold his tickets to NYC and bought he and she roundtrip tickets to Paris, and a week in a resort in Barcellona.
He told me all of this, nonchalantly, and said he was sorry but that it was better for the both of us. He told me that his family wasn't thrilled with our relationship because I wasn't "Italian enough" to be in his permanent future. My parents are native Sicilians, and I lived many years of my life in Sicily. It just so happens that I was adopted, and he was very uneasy when I confided this to him over a year ago.He NEVER brought it up again and clearly did not want to talk about it. When he told his parents about his plans to go to New York- they brought up the fact that I was not Italian and that he didn't really know anything about my "family" ( my adoptive parents and his parents have been friendly for years).
"You're so great! I knew you'd understand" he said to me, and then he disconnected his webcam. I just sort of stared at the black screen for a few minutes.
I'm just absolutely crushed, even though perhaps it's a little bit stupid.
I'm not sure if this has anything to do with my adoption- but not Italian enough? Ugh. My adoption and the fact that they don't "know anything about my family" might not be the real reason , as the pretty brunette with whom he is going to France is reason enough- but the comment annoyed me all the same. It's just a silly story about silly young love-and maybe that little snarky comment about my adoption isn't a big deal at all- but that knowledge sure isn't making me feel any better
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I am so sorry. What an awful (and cowardly) way to break it off.
I would guess that he, or at least his parents, has known for a long time that you were adopted. I believe that you are right when you say that your not being Italian is not the true reason, it is the new girlfriend.
I'm so sorry that he has hurt you this way.
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I am also very sorry to read this Amanda. I am sure you must be hurting. Its' hard to say 100% if its the adoption thing or if it's a copout, but to drop you because you were adopted and perhaps not born of 100% Italian heritage is to me pretty shallow. I am sure you having lived in Italy and having Italian adoptive parents have enough heritage than most.
I am not sure what else to say but HUGS. I know it will take some time to get over this guy, but in the end I dont think it's nice that he promised to come visit you and instead he was going behind your back to see another woman. Perhaps in a way it's better you found out now before you went down the aisle later, with all of the exta added things that could be shaken up by a similar situation, retirement funds, divorce attys. kids, etc.
Please take care of yourself.
Amy K, NJ
I know that my adoption made him uncomfortable, it always has, because adoption where the birthparents are not deceased is truly a rarity in Sicilian culture. They rarely adopt, and when they do it is most often from Russia or Albania- and they adopt from orphanages mostly.
To him- my adoption was always a strange American thing. His mother is the interfering type, always in his business. She still picks out his shampoo, and sends it to him because he doesn't know " which one to get."
I don't doubt his parents gave him a little chat, and I don't doubt that my adoption , even though it took places over 2 decades ago, may make me a bit suspect? But his new girlfriend Nadia is most likely the most compelling reason of all.
Amanda, I'm sorry that this guy is being such a jerk. I think you're right, though -- he's using the cultural/ethnic heritage thing as an excuse for the pretty brunette.
Unfortunately, I have met a few Italian families over in Tuscany who do seem to be biased against their children marrying anyone who isn't 100-percent Italian. My partner's mother was born and raised in Monte Piscali, an ancient village in Tuscany. She married a young American Army medic shortly after the end of World War II...and her father threatened to disown her, but changed his mind when his grandchildren were born.
I've spent a lot of time there and in Grosseto, and I've come up against this ethnic bias a few times. But I still think this guy's using it for an excuse. You're better off without him, my friend... :loveyou:
Hi Amanda,
I'm so sorry about how things have turned out with this guy, especially since you'd had your hopes up so high. And being dumped for another woman really hurts. It's difficult to say if his reason for leaving you is due to the new gal, your adoption or his family wanting him to be with a woman who's 100% born and bred in Italy. While I don't know much about Italian families, if they are more traditional, the 100% Italian issue could be very important to him and his family - I do know that this issue does crop up in traditional Chinese families. And also in traditional Chinese families, the biological bloodline is very important, so maybe that's the case with his family as well.
Whatever the case, I can understand how you'd feel extremely hurt - and possibly betrayed, since he'd promised you one thing and then went behind your back and dated another woman. However, I do agree that it's better that you found out now before you'd gotten married. I'm fully of the belief that if something (eg. you and he getting married) was meant to happen, it would. If it doesn't, it wasn't meant to be.
Take whatever time you need to get over this guy and remember that you deserve and WILL find someone who accepts and loves you for you are - including your adoptive and inter-country upbringing.
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Amanada:
I agree with the others, you being adopted is an excuse. Please do yourself a favor and don't dwell on it. You live in NYC, the greatest city in the world, you can always find someone better, trust me!
Hang in there,
-Manni:flower:
Wow, what a jerk!
I agree that it sounds like your adoption is an excuse. BUT, on the off-chance it isn't, and his mother really did sit him down & chat with him & he allowed that to cloud his judgment - better to find out this way how much influence his mama has over him. Frankly, you're better off without a guy whose mother's impressions about adoption would hold sway over his feelings for you.
:)
Well today he finally came clean. He has been dating someone else for a month or so, and they are going to Paris together. She only had free time off of work during the next few weeks, so he sold his tickets to NYC and bought he and she roundtrip tickets to Paris, and a week in a resort in Barcellona.
Wow. After only knowing her a MONTH, he ditches his plans with you that have been long made and with someone he has been so deeply involved with???
You know, while I don't agree with it at all, I understand that for some people, cultural issues run very deep and he could be operating under not only his own belief system about the type of mate he wants, but also a lot of family pressure and societal pressure. HOWEVER....
...given your history and feelings for each other, he should have MANNED UP and came out to see you as planned and told you in person. He has known you are not Sicilian for over a year, too, and if it was such an issue, he should have mentioned it then. Was he just stringing you along until someone "more Sicilian" came around?? WTH!
I am sorry, Amanda. It must really hurt, espeically given you had the expectations you did. And if your circle of friends are the same, it will be harder when you go back.
I will say this, though. Given he has such a hard time understanding your adoption and it's not something that is practiced in Sicily unless you are an orphan, I think you may in the long run be better off. Could this man (and his family) ever truly understand and accept you if they cannot fathom being an adoptee with living birthparents? I think some of the cultural differences, although they maybe were what attracted you two in the first place, may have ultimately put too much between you in the long run.
The other thing that concerns me is the family pressure. I used to work with someone whose son was dating a girl outside of his cultural/religious background and also financially/socially, she was not in the same class (they were filthy rich, she was average middle class). He was deeply in love with her, but his parents came out to have a "talk" with him and basically told him in no uncertain terms that if he didn't break it off, he would be disowned/disinherited. Now, I think he should have told his parents to bascially p*ss off, but I never came from money/status, don't have a tight-knit family to begin with, have been independent my entire adult life, and have no idea how hard it would be to walk away from all that. I think he figured she'd never be accepted and it was better for them to split. The man you have been involved with could be under similar family pressure, it's really hard to say.
Again, I'm sorry....
Thanks everyone! I was barely expecting a response at all, since this has little do to with adoption! I really appreciate it you all brought a smile to my face.
I'm glad to hear that this cultural difference is at least acknowledged. I've been living in the middle of the two cultures for many many years now, and sometimes I feel like it's all in my mind- and I'm exaggerating the two because I am so often torn.
I felt a little silly because in reality, we weren't technically "together"- we sort of just agreed to remain "really good friends" until we could live in the same country- and while he always harps upon wanting to live in NY, it really meant my moving back to Italy.
The funny thing is he still wants to be friends! Of course I'll oblige, it would be hard to avoid him in Italy because all of my friends are also his friends. But that doesn't stop me from hoping it rains in France that entire time.:evilgrin:
I'm feeling a lot better today guys, thanks.
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Thanks everyone! I was barely expecting a response at all, since this has little do to with adoption!
Oh Amanda, it doesn't matter if it is adoption related or not. It is you, as a person who is hurting that we are all responding to because we care about you.
I am sooo sorry. He is a jerk, and it's better to have found out now before you got into a serious relationship with him. I know it hurts and it's OK to grieve, it's also OK to be angry.
Amanda,
I am going to disagree the others who say it probably does not have anything to do with being adopted...some people still have issues with it and what your blood per se will do to the family line.
I am sorry you have to go through this - no one should. Especially the innocent 3rd party to the adoption.
Kind regards,
Dickons
Amanda,
As much as it stings now, he did you a favor. Seriously, would you want to married to a man that is controlled by his parenst? Even if it is an excuse, sounds like some of that backwards thinking. Just remember, "rejection is God's protection".
EZ
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Amanda,
Really, from one "adopted" Italian to another....Consider yourself lucky! I know that there are very many differnt types of MIL..but can you imagine!!!! MAMA MIA!!! You would never have been clean enough, never have cooked the right way(her way), your mothering abilities would ALWAYS be i9n question especially with the boys, the eagle eyes would have always been pointed to the heavens...hmmmm...MIO DIO...God is good!