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I am getting very frustrated our daughter who we have had just over a year now and it just over 5 is stealing and I dont know how to stop it.
She is an only child with us and we have had some issues with her mistreated our dog in the beginning but she is still stealing her favorite tennis balls and hordes them so our dog cant have them. Every time she does it we talk and she just tells me she wants them. She has taken a few things from my husband and I and hides them under her pillow. It is always when we tell her she cant have it something and then we find it under her pillow. She brings toys from school home too and says it was a accident but you don't accidentally put a toy in your back pack.
I dont know how to get thought to her doesnt seem to care that she hurts other peoples feelings.
We gave our dog some new tennis balls for valentines day and she took then and hid them. So when I was talking about not taking I said since she would like to take from the dog I would take her valentines day presents that we got for her. I want to make her understands what it feels like when she takes from other people.
I dont know if I am doing the right thing our not. I dont want to make the problem worse. She does have RAD so I know that could be part of the issue.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Craziest,
RAD IS the issue here. Stealing, lying, "hurting" a defenseless animal.
Taking the toys doesn't physically hurt the dog, but she is trying to harm the dog's "feelings"--mine did this just this morning when she was supposed to be feeding our dog. She held the cup of food over the dog's head instead of dropping it into the bowl...forever! The poor dog sat there patiently! When I saw what she was doing, I suggested she go do some strong sitting because she clearly need to "rest" and get herself strong again to be able to handle dog chores. The moment I fear for our dog's safety, she'll be removed from dog (kept near me, away from dog). I don't think this will happen, but if it does, I'm prepared to respond.
Are you familiar with Nancy Thomas' work? Check out her site at attachment dot org. Click the Parents tab and then the Articles tab and you'll see one titled, "It Takes a Thief." (There she tells the whys of stealing and what we parents can do about it.) Lots of other great tips there, too.
Good luck, craziest! This is tough work, but the odds are in your daughter's favor if you parent "therapeutically" since she's still so young! Her conscience isn't fully developed yet, so there's still time! :love:
P.S. Wanted to add that "talking" doesn't work with these kids, but actions do. Respond therapeutically, keeping a cool head and a "smile all the way up to your eyes." (It will get worse first, because her old securities of ticking you off (feeling like she's able to push you away to protect her heart) will be taken away. AND...when she sees that she can't tick you or your husband off, she WILL go for your dog! So be sure you anticipate that and keep the dog away from her (or daughter in line-of-sight) until she's healed.
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Well I am happy to say that when our Daughter took another 2 tennis balls and hid them from our dog we explained that for ever toy she takes she looses 2 of hers. We went up to her room and I picked out 4 of her toys to give to the dog. 2 of which were pretty dear to her, she got really upset and bawled it wasnt fair.
We talked about how this is how the dog feels when you take her things. When we went down stairs to give the dog her new toys our daughter looked really upset looked at the dog and gave her a big hug. That was promising to see. I really stung when she had to give up her toys so we will be continuing this, it seems promising.
craziest2009
Well I am happy to say that when our Daughter took another 2 tennis balls and hid them from our dog we explained that for ever toy she takes she looses 2 of hers. We went up to her room and I picked out 4 of her toys to give to the dog. 2 of which were pretty dear to her, she got really upset and bawled it wasnt fair.
We talked about how this is how the dog feels when you take her things. When we went down stairs to give the dog her new toys our daughter looked really upset looked at the dog and gave her a big hug. That was promising to see. I really stung when she had to give up her toys so we will be continuing this, it seems promising.
We did the same with our 7 year old who was stealing toys from friends. We tried talking about it and making him return the toys. None of that phased him. When he stole for about the 5th time, I very calmly went in his room and started going through his toys saying "OOOO I like this, I think I want this!" I stuffed 3 of his favorite toys under my shirt and in my pockets and walked out of the room. I hid them and refused to tell him when or if he could have them back. I just kept saying "What's wrong with what I did? I liked those toys and I wanted them so I took them? What's the matter with that??
I let it go on for about a week and then I told him he had to explain to me why stealing is wrong. He gave a very detailed and empathetic answer and was allowed to earn 1 toy back for every week that he did not steal. I also told him that if I caught him stealing again, he would lose a toy permanently. (oh and I did return one of his Christmas presents because it was the exact thing he had stolen from his friend at school) He cried about that too, oh well! It has been about 2 months and we have not caught him stealing again.
I DO think that any child with RAD should have a therapist and that parents should check with the therapist about these things to get their opinion. But, RAD or not, there must be consequences for behavior and children must learn to feel empathy. We have to teach them that one way or another.
Make 100% certain that your DD knows you love her even when she makes bad choices. Don't with hold affection or back away from her when she does these things. In fact, I would lay it on thick in these times especially because it is probably her unconcious goal to push you away! If you back away, you may be creating a cycle.
So great news, after our daughter had to give up 4 or her toys she hasn't taken one thing from the dog. I am suprised that it only took the one time of taking toys away but it worked out great.
And yes we made it very clear we were not taking the toys away because she didnt love her. We always talk about how no matter what she does we will never stop loving her and that we are here to help her be a better person.
That's awesome, Craziest. I hope that this discussion has led to a revelation for her. Of course if she has RAD, she's likely to repeat this (or worse) behavior eventually, and it may seem to come "out of the blue" when it happens. Just know that you're not alone and lots of us have been there and been frustrated with our kiddos and wonder when the craziness will end. ("He was doing so well--what happened?!")
The important thing we've learned parenting our RADishes for more than 5 years is that a) talking to them doesn't create change because they don't have fully-developed consciences, yet (even healthy kids don't fully develop a conscience until around age 7, and for RAD kids it's even later), and b) ACTIONS do encourage change, but they have to experience them over and over and...over before it starts to sink in. We constantly have to express the same message through our actions AND words: we love you, you're here forever, we'll keep you safe, and there are logical consequences for everything you do (working hard at school=earning recognition from teacher; stealing classmate's toy=having to pay back that child and repair the hurt relationship).
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I'm glad this is working for you. Not only is our RADlet not attached to us, he is also not attached to his toys. We did the double toy trade routine on him and it didn't bother him a bit. Interestingly, ours doesn't like to get caught red handed. I'm not sure why it makes any difference to him. We put in an 8 camera DVR surveillance system, allowing us to maintain near 100% supervision. We haven't had a theft since the day it went in, almost a year ago. No empathy building exercises here. We have yet to find a shred of evidence that he has any capability in that regard.
i like to make a game of it. i leave things around for her to steal and say *oh, you might need that for your collection*. she has a shoe box under her bed that that says *stolen goods*. when i took away the control of stealing it wasnt any fun for her anymore and she doesnt steal as much anymore. i say *as much* because i am sure she still will. if she thinks its going to bug you that she steals something she will do it.
for RAD kids - anything that ticks the parents off will be a fun game for them. they steal because they want you to know they can.