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[url=http://familypreservation.blogspot.com/]FAMILY PRESERVATION ADVOCACY[/url]
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[url=http://familypreservation.blogspot.com/2010/12/anger.html]FAMILY PRESERVATION ADVOCACY: Adoption Anger[/url]
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Dickons
Loriofva,
You have not actually posted a question so am unsure what you are looking for.
There have been over 200,000 babies from Korea placed in intercountry adoptions. Many of those babies are now adults. As adults many are going home, some stay and live in S Korea, some just visit. Some have met their families and realized how difficult it is to meet via a translator. Some are trying as adults to learn Korean. Some are just starting to understand how and why they were surrendered. Sometimes it's just really hard to understand how societal pressures require the separation of mother and child and why nothing has changed in the last 50+ years. The link below is what one adoptive dad is doing and why.
[url=http://kumsn.org/main/?mid=kumsn_aboutus_boas]Founder Dr. Boas[/url]
There are many Korean adult adoptees speaking out, forming groups, doing something about it. VN adoptees are doing the same.
Kind regards,
Dickons
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I absolutely acknowledge the pain I read in those posts. Adoption involves tremendous, tremendous loss. And most people don't realize that.The last 7 or so years of my life have been filled with unbelievable pain too. I get pain. And I totally understand how when your pain is dismissed, it makes it 100 times worse.Furthermore, there are obviously a huge range in how adoptees feel about their adoptions.But even if it's my kids that feel this extreme level of hurt, I hope I can be the soft, safe place for them. I hope I can be the place where they can process their grief.I agree with pp that in a perfect world adoption wouldn't be needed. It pains me so to say that, b/c it means I wouldn't have the kids I have--who I love so, so much. But I do agree with that statement. But as long as the world is imperfect, I do think there is a place for adoption.
I didn't really have any questions. I found this link and thought WOW. I really didn't know there were groups like this. the reason why I posted is just the same - I didn't know there was 'another side' and figured it is really great when you can see both sides to the story!
Personally I definitely see both sides. Also I feel really bad for the pain that blogger has. I also question my own motives.
thanks for the link ... excellent reading.
Dickons
Loriofva,
You have not actually posted a question so am unsure what you are looking for.
There have been over 200,000 babies from Korea placed in intercountry adoptions. Many of those babies are now adults. As adults many are going home, some stay and live in S Korea, some just visit. Some have met their families and realized how difficult it is to meet via a translator. Some are trying as adults to learn Korean. Some are just starting to understand how and why they were surrendered. Sometimes it's just really hard to understand how societal pressures require the separation of mother and child and why nothing has changed in the last 50+ years. The link below is what one adoptive dad is doing and why.
[url=http://kumsn.org/main/?mid=kumsn_aboutus_boas]Founder Dr. Boas[/url]
There are many Korean adult adoptees speaking out, forming groups, doing something about it. VN adoptees are doing the same.
Kind regards,
Dickons
Personally I think we as a society and adoptive "society" have learned a lot from things done 20, 30 , 60 etc. years ago. Even 20 years ago kids were being adopted and not really allowed to have a place here in the US with their families. I think we know a lot more now about transracial and transculture adoption.Not saying there aren't going to be adoptees who don't have pain. Just saying that there's also a balance of things too. For every blog of pain, there's one of joy. And one of "it is what it is", And one of "Why the heck do people worry about this stuff at all?" kwim?Take it all in and learn from every experience is usually my motto with this.
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I agree completely. another way to think about it:
What if that blogger HAD been adopted by a "perfect" family that gave love AND support? would that girl feel the same? Would she still disagree with adoption?
What IF that girls bio mom kept her and from the horrible treatment in Korea passed on her feelings to her daughter- blamed her daughter for the hate by abusing her all during her growing up years? would that blogger maybe wished to be adopted?
There are many ways each person gets their opinion. I personally want to balance each perspective so I can hope to try to make the best of a situation.
LJR1974
I agree with pp that in a perfect world adoption wouldn't be needed. It pains me so to say that, b/c it means I wouldn't have the kids I have--who I love so, so much. But I do agree with that statement. But as long as the world is imperfect, I do think there is a place for adoption.
loriofva
I agree completely. another way to think about it:
What if that blogger HAD been adopted by a "perfect" family that gave love AND support? would that girl feel the same? Would she still disagree with adoption?
What IF that girls bio mom kept her and from the horrible treatment in Korea passed on her feelings to her daughter- blamed her daughter for the hate by abusing her all during her growing up years? would that blogger maybe wished to be adopted?
There are many ways each person gets their opinion. I personally want to balance each perspective so I can hope to try to make the best of a situation.
Crick: Not saying there aren't going to be adoptees who don't have pain. Just saying that there's also a balance of things too. For every blog of pain, there's one of joy. And one of "it is what it is", And one of "Why the heck do people worry about this stuff at all?" kwim
Crick: Take it all in and learn from every experience is usually my motto with this.
caths1964 --- No I read the Angry person's blog. I understand that her family was 'cool' with things after she returned. My comment was more pointed towards adoptees might want to look at adoption from a grander scheme. I think this (view) perhaps because the angry adoptees (that i have met and read about) admit to having crappy adoptee family - the overall impression I get from some adoptees - the idea that living a life w/ the birth family from the start would be perfect/ better or maybe just the comment 'if the bio mom was not pressured to give me up my life would not be xxxxx" My point is yeah it wouldn't be xxxx but maybe it would be yyyyy. and is x<y? translated ..so your life is crappy bc of this this and this ... but if you stayed maybe it would be crappy for that that and that. and what is worse this or that? I love the study of the social and psychological. I find fascinating to read similar stories (korean adoption) and see how varied each person reacts. how some get "stolen and given to the crappy family" and are ok with it yet others can not get past it. I am very curious about is it really temperament or treatment? What really is making these feelings? For me as a korean adoptee - abandoned at 3mo ..adopted at 5mo to crappy family - i find this (adoption) is the LEAST PROBLEM in my life. Seriously when I have so many things to think about I never worry about something that happened so long ago. But then again I'm (according to personality typing) a visionary and look to future and rarely at past. I think those who dwell on past are the ones who may be more history types. Even so I am completely fascinated by the idea of making a change in Korea for the better. But to be honest Korea doesn't interest me so much. I would want all adoptions to be better. its the same to me if I make Russia better or USa or Korea. Then I wonder why doesn't it (my adoption) bother me? I don't really feel repressed or angry, hmmmmmmmmmm :hippie: Yet I wish to adopt a baby and to be honest I don't care where the baby comes from (legally) I just really really want a daughter....... sigh
"Btw one thing I have noticed with reading blogs from adopted people with ALL points of view from all walks of life is that their view often has VERY LITTLE to do with the relationship they have with their adoptive parents. If you read many of those "blogs of pain" right through, you will understand that they often love their aparents deeply; their problem is more to do with the act of adoption itself and the reasons why, especially in the era they were born. "In the blogs I have read where the adoptee loves the family - i think that might be true but then the adoptee is ranting about the cultural differences. Though I admit , I haven't read very many blogs.....Yet in my own town growing up (70s/80s) I know several asian (100%) families and the children felt same as me - weird in america too. So its not just adopted kids in america that feel kinda out of place - its any asian. Hence thats why I wonder about the adoptees? maybe if they werent adopted the mom (single)might move to USA and not know anyone. Then would that person be blogging about moving to USA and complaining? Hence I am wondering if certain ppl just have the need to "complain" /discuss plight in a very stressed out / emotional way. whereas in my life i have had tons of 'emotional' things but none of them really bother me that much. Hence my view that its really not about the adoption or whatever but maybe its more of the personality and the adoption is just the unordinary thing in their life?The girl who placed 2nd in biggest loser seemed to think that living in USA w/ a korean family that was not 'normal american' was very upset to not have the normal american family. she obviously felt different and resented that. You can imagine her feelings to be very similar to that of an adoptee, yet she wasnt even adopted. saying just the same feelings (not close, cultural differnces, not fitting in, korean) but different story
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Hi Lori,
Hope I didn't upset you. I thought you were referring to that particular person when you said about the "horrible experience". I think she did have a bad experience but I think it was because she hoped everything would be answered but in fact everything became more confusing.
Re blogs: I always used to think that those adoptees who are "in pain" had problems with their own APs as well. However, I have discovered that in fact many of them do love their own aparents and that the feeling is totally separate. I think it is a personal thing, it depends on the adoptee how they feel. Also, how they feel after reunion may be different to how they feel beforehand. I can tell you that I feel much different after reunion than before (not angry at all, just everything feels more complicated). I won't go into on here. I have no regrets though.
As Crick says though, it is best to look at all sides of the story to get the full picture. Btw on that blog I emailed you, there was another, much more positive story about Korea so I will PM that to you :)
Yes (about reunions) I think that the reason why I don't look for reunion (in early adulthood) is because deep down I know the story is probably more tragic than I want to think it is. I'm sure other adoptees when I was little used to dream *I* was Cinderella or some other fairy tale and think that I used to be a princess or something nice from a family that LOVED me then a wicked witch step mother came or something. But as I have read a couple not so happy endings - I think I have gone with a more neutral belief. I guess I don't want to upset myself and deal with reality.
send me the blogs I book mark them. Definitely gives perspective.
loriofva
Yes (about reunions) I think that the reason why I don't look for reunion (in early adulthood) is because deep down I know the story is probably more tragic than I want to think it is. I'm sure other adoptees when I was little used to dream *I* was Cinderella or some other fairy tale and think that I used to be a princess or something nice from a family that LOVED me then a wicked witch step mother came or something. But as I have read a couple not so happy endings - I think I have gone with a more neutral belief. I guess I don't want to upset myself and deal with reality.
send me the blogs I book mark them. Definitely gives perspective.
Then would that person be blogging about moving to USA and complaining? Hence I am wondering if certain ppl just have the need to "complain" /discuss plight in a very stressed out / emotional way. whereas in my life i have had tons of 'emotional' things but none of them really bother me that much. Hence my view that its really not about the adoption or whatever but maybe its more of the personality and the adoption is just the unordinary thing in their life?
You may find this particular blog by a Korean adoptee interesting if you haven't read it already. She has actually ended her blogging but I think you will find that she seems like a very accomplished levelheaded person (as are many other adoptee bloggers btw)
[url=http://harlowmonkey.typepad.com/harlows_monkey/]Harlow's Monkey[/url]
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As adoptive parents, it is critically important that we are aware of the anti-adoption perspective, which seems to be a small minority but one that feels very strongly. Personally, I think that some of the angry adoptees would be angry even if they weren't adopted and that they fixate on adoption the same way others fixate on another issue in their lives (e.g., blame the mother, the hometown, etc.). This doesn't mean their anger isn't real, but I doubt they would have been happy if they were not adopted and kept in their birth family, which clearly faced some challenges. I do think it's useful to try to understand this perspective to avoid the far more common situation of the unhappy, if not angry, adoptee, such as some bios I've read that talk about being the only one of their race in the neighborhood, and so on.
Lori and Caths - great discussion! I don't have a lot to add to it, personally, but lots to consider! I also read many of the links. Great info.
The initial blog that you shared broke my heart. I pray that she finds some peace soon.
My friend just got here so I have to go. Hope to hear more soon!