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I recently noticed a new circumcision thread on the adoptive parents forum. I know I should probably not read those threads, but somehow I can't help myself; I think it's important.
I find a number of the comments (not just this thread, but previous) extremely disturbing. Whatever people choose to do around this issue, fine. What I have a problem with is the comments that imply there is something wrong with circumcision and the parents who choose it for their sons or the ones that say (in various ways) that there is no valid reason for it.
I know that most of these posters would probably not identify themselves as anti-Semitic, but the comments feel anti-Semitic in a more covert way. They feel like an attack on my beliefs and practices, and I'm struggling with that. I'm just wondering what other people's experiences are with this. Anyone else struggle with this? If so, what do you do with it? I try to find a balance between offering a different (hopefully educational and mind-broadening) perspective and not being to reactive, but it's hard.
I don't think the majority are anti-Semitic, overtly or covertly. My grandson was circumcised and he was Southern Baptist. It was his parent's decision, because his father was also circumcised and he made the choice for his son.
I think this debate is the same as the "breast versus bottle" debate, the "working versus SAHM" dabate and the "vaccines versus none" debate. Each side is convinced that they are "more right" than the other side -- they are better educated, they have more scientific studies that support them etc. What does IMHO seem to be covert is the "I am a better mother than you because I do XYZ and you do not."
No perspective you offer -- no matter how educational and mind-broadening -- is likely to change anyone's mind on any side of these debates. The best thing is just not to read them.
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I have trouble with that thread also. I don't find it so much anti-semitic, but I do find people as being very self-righteous about the issue. Many people can't seem to help commenting. In my opinion, the original poster was not asking for advice about whether or not to circumcise, but about how to do it. And yet, the debate always starts again. As I said in that thread, my son was circumcised for religious reasons, but as a physician, I think the jury is still out about thepotential health benefits. I think anyone who feels the need to impose their viewpoint on you is annoying!
MamaS
I don't think the majority are anti-Semitic, overtly or covertly. My grandson was circumcised and he was Southern Baptist. It was his parent's decision, because his father was also circumcised and he made the choice for his son.
I think this debate is the same as the "breast versus bottle" debate, the "working versus SAHM" dabate and the "vaccines versus none" debate. Each side is convinced that they are "more right" than the other side -- they are better educated, they have more scientific studies that support them etc. What does IMHO seem to be covert is the "I am a better mother than you because I do XYZ and you do not."
No perspective you offer -- no matter how educational and mind-broadening -- is likely to change anyone's mind on any side of these debates. The best thing is just not to read them.
Very very well said! My attitude is... if you don't like circ - don't have one and don't give your son one. It's that simple.
However, the argument that it's without consent is what drive me bonkers. Every decision we make for our children is without consent. DO you think the vast majority of our kids would go to school if we didn't make them? Would they take medicine if they needed it? Have, Gd forbid, chemo if necessary? Would diabetic children stick a needle into themselves several times a day if it were up to them?
When we talk about circumcision there are lots of things that enter out mind. Some would react if this kind of topic is discussed because other religion prohibit a child or a man form doing this kind of procedure. On Sunday, California Gov. Jerry Brown signed AB 768, a bill that stops local governments from enacting rules that ban boy circumcision. As reported by the LA Times, AB 768 is one of numerous bills under Brown's consideration. Another bill that Brown authorized makes selling artificial marijuana products a more heinous crime with firmer penalties. [url=http://www.newsytype.com/12209-california-circumcision-law/]California law bans prohibition of male circumcision.[/url] People have a freedom to choose if they want to do this kind of procedure or not.
I wonder if the people who are against circumcision have their babies ears pierced for earrings, that seems a little unnecessary to me, but I cannot imagine getting all worked up about it or not wanting other people to be allowed to do it.
OT: heard a joke...a Russian Jew and a German Jew got married...the wedding started PRECISELY 53 minutes late. (I thought it was really funny, but the rabbi that I heard tell the joke, got no laughs at all)
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OT: heard a joke...a Russian Jew and a German Jew got married...the wedding started PRECISELY 53 minutes late. (I thought it was really funny, but the rabbi that I heard tell the joke, got no laughs at all)
It took me a second to get it (probably because I am (again) overtired, but I think it's funny, too.
I've thought very similar things about ear piercing. Also, my son's bparents had requested he be circumcised at the hospital. The doctor refused because he was being placed for adoption, saying that "the adoptive parents might not want that." However, he performed another elective procedure, so I'm not sure how he knew that the aparents would want that one done. I don't get people sometimes, either.