I get it when family would be denied placement of a child b/c they are criminals, have been investigated by CPS themselves before (although that may not be reason enough), active drug users... but what other reasons would family be considered unsuitable placements?
To far from bios to allow visits?
To emotionally/physically close to the offending parent?
What about *after* TPR occurs? What if, in the meantime, a child has been with FP for a couple of years (since infancy) and far away family wants them?
TIA!
Our first case the Biological grandparents were denied because of a past case with CPS. Another relative was denied because they lived close to bioparents and biograndparents and were afraid the relative would cave and let them see the children. In other cases grandparents were denied because of criminal history, poor health, unwillingness to do homestudy, and past SA claims.
URmysunshine4
Our first case the Biological grandparents were denied because of a past case with CPS. Another relative was denied because they lived close to bioparents and biograndparents and were afraid the relative would cave and let them see the children. In other cases grandparents were denied because of criminal history, poor health, unwillingness to do homestudy, and past SA claims.
I know this thread is old but I hope you or someone is still out there and can answer... What exactly is a deniable past case with CPS? I am trying for kinship placement of my grand daughter. I asked CPS for help one time to get resources for therapy for my four year old. They came to my house, we talked, they gave me phone numbers. Had my husband and I test for drugs, which we are not users, and we were clean and then I never heard from them again. Is this considered a "past" with CPS?
Also, my husband pulled a phone cord out of the wall 13 years ago in a fight with his ex-wife and was charged with criminal damage per a domestic violence call. There was no assault and the file is purged, it was a misdemeanor. He got 6 months unsupervised probation. IS this considered a deniable offense?
We raised this child since her birth until 1 year old, then my daughter took off to another town and got into drugs and is in jail. We just want to get our grand daughter back home. Will these offenses bar us? Thank you for any info...
HimnMe- As far as past history I would highly doubt that would be a problem. You went to CPS for help they did not open an investigation into you. And as far as the criminal charge was it expunged? As long as that is the only criminal history and with it being a misdemeanor you should be ok anyway. Call CPS and speak with your granddaughters social worker. Don't wait the sooner the better.
Mommy2my2boys
I have a cousin that is in fostercare in another state. I called DHS in that state and let them know that I was family and that I wanted the child. They told me no. RU was not a goal and it was going adoption but they wanted to keep the child in state. So they picked a foster home over a family home and did not even get my NAME. So they could just decide against it. They told me that I could get an attorney and fight it if I wanted but they were not going to even look at me for kinship care.
was it texas? i had the same thing happen with my cousins in texas. but we ended up getting a forever placement shortly thereafter.
our adopted kiddos grandma wanted them. was granted monthly visits, showed for 3 maybe. the cw told us 'gma wants them and is going through homestudy but even if she passes we won't let them go there. she let mom get married at 14 to a 24 year old, all of her kids had drug and criminal backgrounds, and why would we give her these kids to repeat the pattern with? ' in the end, the state she lived in approved her 'if this son moves out.' he moved out. they went back in and he'd moved back in so they failed her. we were told after a year that the bond with us was too strong and that the kids had so many special needs they wouldn't move them to any relative that showed up.
That is all that is in our history. We told the old worker, the home study person, and the new worker...the workers in the town that she is in have our background already. The home study lady is telling us she is "waiting on them to come back." This sounds fishy to me because I can pull someone's background in 24-48 hours. I told the case worker this and she agrees it has taken too long. It has been 2 1/2 weeks since the lady for the home study came to our house. The case worker says either that lady has a lot on her desk and hasn't gottne to us, or there is a "flag" in our case. So, she said she would call her and find out what the delay is about? I told her, I don't know what there would be, but if here is something at least please tell us so that we can have a plan. My daughter is getting out of jail on the 28th. I would like to know whether I need to transfer her up to my town (her hometown; to live with another family member) to do her program to get the baby back while we have the baby. Or if she needs to stay down there with family because they are not going to give the baby to us...Either way, bad news or good news, any news is better than nothing...I pleaded with the case worker to JUST COMMUNICATE! She said she would look into it...
We get unsupervised visits with the baby. They allow us to take her for hours and drop her back off so I can't see what the flag could be??? As I said, my hubby just had that one misdemeanor 13 years ago, no it was not expunged, the case is so old they purged the files though. He told me last night he thinks he may have had a marijuana charge when he was 17 or 18, but he is 40 now so...I don't know, if either of those things would hold us back from getting placement of a child that we have already raised since birth..If so, we will get a lawyer because that is ridiculous. We own a very nice home in a very nice neighborhood, we both work and have good stable jobs and income. We have eight children who are very well taken care of and have never been in trouble with CPS, our kids have never had any trouble with the law, and get good grades. I will nail them to the wall if they keep that baby from this family. She is with an adoptive parent who speaks no english, which is my daughters native language. Who keeps her in bed with her at night and asked me for her birth certificate so that she could take her to Mexico to introduce her to family over there! I don't think so...I am hispanic, so I am not against her or anything but my grand daughter is not her baby! I am extremely angry at this point and have heard nothing from the case worker yet
I believe there are times that a child's medical needs and proximity to specialist comes into play in decisions for the child.
In my state, even the automatic disqualifier of DV has to be a felony charge, not a misdemeanor. That said, anything that falls under a DV charge will be given very serious consideration.
Drug charges older than five years, usually aren't an issue (where I am).
In addition to what has been said, another big one is just failing to complete the licensing procedure. Family members start the process, but at some point their progress stops and they stall out... time passes, and they're no longer considered as a resource because they still haven't gotten approval.
I've seen a number of cases where family members expressed strong and repeated verbal interest in custody, but simply never filed the paperwork or else failed to complete an important step in the process even with reminders given to them.
Sometimes the family members seem genuinely surprised when they get denied as a result, like they felt they'd just be given the child no matter what and they saw the paperwork as a useless formality. Other times... it seems like maybe they were ambivalent about having custody in the first place, but now the decision was "out of their hands" instead of having to say no.
It's incredibly sad to me because it's so preventable, but a number of times I've seen family members denied because so much time had passed and they'd simply failed to take the necessary steps to secure placement. Eventually, they run out of time, the children can't stay in limbo forever waiting for paperwork to be filed, and the state has to look elsewhere.
There are cases where the family can have old criminal charges against them but the agency doesn't deny them placement because of this. They deny the family placement of the child because those family members were aware of the living conditions or the neglect of the child for months or even years and never took steps to help the kids or report the conditions to CPS. In a way, the agency viewed these family members are "participants" in the neglect and refused to even proceed with home evals on them.
2 of my cases family member were denied b/c it wasn't in the best interests of the children. I think it was feared family lived & associated with bios so closely that the kids could have ended back at with bios most of the time.
Well none of those reasons for denial sound close to home here. I made the call on day one, unfortunately it was after hours on a Friday and mom was not around to inquire for family names so that is why she was placed. Case worker contacted me on the Monday following me and we started the process then. My grand daughter has no medical problems. I keep in contact with the case worker and the supervisor every other day and we ask for regular visitation even though we live out of town. She knows us very well, still recognizes us when she sees us and cries when we leave. Like I said there is no significant criminal history, not even a speeding ticket in the last ten years. And definitely no past with CPS... So, I don't know what the hold up is but I have heard from some on here that in the spectrum of these things and living in AZ, 2.5 months really is about normal for an intercounty transfer. So, hopefully we hear from someone soon. We have done everything we have been asked to do and will do more if asked, this is our little grand baby, our "bean"...we will never give up!
himNmeplus9
Well none of those reasons for denial sound close to home here. I made the call on day one, unfortunately it was after hours on a Friday and mom was not around to inquire for family names so that is why she was placed. Case worker contacted me on the Monday following me and we started the process then. My grand daughter has no medical problems. I keep in contact with the case worker and the supervisor every other day and we ask for regular visitation even though we live out of town. She knows us very well, still recognizes us when she sees us and cries when we leave. Like I said there is no significant criminal history, not even a speeding ticket in the last ten years. And definitely no past with CPS... So, I don't know what the hold up is but I have heard from some on here that in the spectrum of these things and living in AZ, 2.5 months really is about normal for an intercounty transfer. So, hopefully we hear from someone soon. We have done everything we have been asked to do and will do more if asked, this is our little grand baby, our "bean"...we will never give up!
Our ICPC took 11 months only because the FP's tried to appeal the placement with us. We had to become licensed foster parents in our state (FL) before we could obtain placement but FL dropped the ball by not sending our license to ID (where our niece was). Check and find out if something is holding up the ICPC transaction. I hear horror stories about paperwork being left on someones desk so keep in touch with the SW. We eventually ended up contacting the Governor's office and the ICPC contact person in our states capital to get status. Our SW was no help and could care less. I think it's cheaper for them to leave the kids in FC where they are then move them across state lines. Also, they get extra $$$ for adoption in their state via FC. They wouldn't even let our state handle the adoption! This caused our daughter not to get the FC benefit here (FL) of college $$$. It sucked!
Good luck!
hkolln
They wouldn't even let our state handle the adoption! This caused our daughter not to get the FC benefit here (FL) of college $$$.
I believe that's actually federal law -- the sending state retains jurisdiction and fiscal responsibility (and therefore only the sending state can finalize the adoption).
Actually when we did our icpc we were told by the Florida sw that it was up to the sending state as to jurisdiction of adoption. They could opt to have it finalized in Florida or Idaho and they actually refused to let jurisdiction be moved. We even tried to change their minds because of the better benefits for our daughter to have the jurisdiction here. Idaho cps did not care. Maybe it's changed but back then it was their discretion. Also they had to allow a temporary jurisdiction here for our court hearing (we finalized here) but they would not allow Florida to get credit for the adoption as they receive money for every adoption finalized in their state. By letting Florida get it they would lose the funds but our daughter lost her four year scholarships for college due to this.