What causes family to be denied?
I get it when family would be denied placement of a child b/c they are criminals, have been investigated by CPS themselves before (although that may not be reason enough), active drug users... but what other reasons would family be considered unsuitable placements?

To far from bios to allow visits?
To emotionally/physically close to the offending parent?

What about *after* TPR occurs? What if, in the meantime, a child has been with FP for a couple of years (since infancy) and far away family wants them?

TIA!
Where I am:

Yes, "too far from bios to allow visits" can disqualify family.

"Emotionally close" would be an unusual disqualifier, but if the court felt strongly enough that the family member would violate the visitation order (e.g., allowing parents to have unsupervised visits, when not yet allowed), maybe.

"Physically close" -- unless they're sharing a residence, not an issue.

NSB said...
What about *after* TPR occurs? What if, in the meantime, a child has been with FP for a couple of years (since infancy) and far away family wants them?


This really varies from state-to-state and judge-to-judge. In some place, "blood trumps all", in other places, greater consideration is given to the existing bonds.
In Aman's case there were multiple family members ruled out immediately.

Maternal Gma lived with biomom and was part of the MBP problem. So she was disqualified.

Mom's partner lived with her and was disqualified. So was Mom's partner's dad. They all lived in the same house and contributed to mom's MBP problem.

Mom's partner's mom (so like a grandma) Was disqualified because she had a history of CPS involvement with mom's partner when she was a child.

Multiple other family members live out of state and are estranged from Biological family.

There was also a former foster mom from a neighboring state where Aman lived for about 18 months, and she wanted to foster him (Now she has asked to adopt him as well). She has been ruled out because she lives out of state and could not do fostering due to not being able to support RU from that far (for visits etc). Now they did look at her for adoption, but I think she is being ruled out since I have had him over 1 year, and AMan was an infant/toddler so he doesn't remember her.
AS: A-man, age 8.5 years.
Foster Son, special needs/medically fragile- 17 months. -TPR 3/15/ Adoption to be fall 2015.
Too far away is a biggie here. So is past history with cps, but dui, arrests for shooting into a building, and history of drug, use or being an illegal alien do not immediately disqualify family members.

This i know from experience.

What has dq'd folks has been things like failure to follow a safety plan,,results of a psych eval, and having a child in the home who continues to have legal issues, and having sex offenders in the home.
I have seen grandparents denied because of poor health. An aunt of two of my boys was almost denied because she only wanted to take one of them. When the county forced the issue she took both.
reasons
Past unwillingness to cooperate with children services with regards to visitation frequency.

Example: When Great Aunt Mimi did kinship care in the past , she repeatedly provided additional unapproved and unscheduled visits with bios.

Substantial physical or emotional (may or may not be of a "serious" nature) ailments which appear to prevent adequate care of the specific child.

Unstable housing or serious issues paying and keeping utilities on.

If Biological is on probation, past evidence of : knowingly assisting, repeatedly not reporting or clearly causing the Biological's breaking of probation.

example: Biological is forbidden from having a drink or from driving because of DUI probation and kin lends Biological their car....
This is a good thread for me right now looking into the future of a possible relative I doubt is fit. I had a foster baby placed with a felon relative so even felonies they can write off if they want.
I have a cousin that is in fostercare in another state. I called DHS in that state and let them know that I was family and that I wanted the child. They told me no. RU was not a goal and it was going adoption but they wanted to keep the child in state. So they picked a foster home over a family home and did not even get my NAME. So they could just decide against it. They told me that I could get an attorney and fight it if I wanted but they were not going to even look at me for kinship care.
A friend of Birth Mom was denied due to allegations happening in the home of the friend.
Our first case the Biological grandparents were denied because of a past case with CPS. Another relative was denied because they lived close to bioparents and biograndparents and were afraid the relative would cave and let them see the children. In other cases grandparents were denied because of criminal history, poor health, unwillingness to do homestudy, and past SA claims.
URmysunshine4 said...
Our first case the Biological grandparents were denied because of a past case with CPS. Another relative was denied because they lived close to bioparents and biograndparents and were afraid the relative would cave and let them see the children. In other cases grandparents were denied because of criminal history, poor health, unwillingness to do homestudy, and past SA claims.

I know this thread is old but I hope you or someone is still out there and can answer... What exactly is a deniable past case with CPS? I am trying for kinship placement of my grand daughter. I asked CPS for help one time to get resources for therapy for my four year old. They came to my house, we talked, they gave me phone numbers. Had my husband and I test for drugs, which we are not users, and we were clean and then I never heard from them again. Is this considered a "past" with CPS?
Also, my husband pulled a phone cord out of the wall 13 years ago in a fight with his ex-wife and was charged with criminal damage per a domestic violence call. There was no assault and the file is purged, it was a misdemeanor. He got 6 months unsupervised probation. IS this considered a deniable offense?
We raised this child since her birth until 1 year old, then my daughter took off to another town and got into drugs and is in jail. We just want to get our grand daughter back home. Will these offenses bar us? Thank you for any info...
HimnMe- As far as past history I would highly doubt that would be a problem. You went to CPS for help they did not open an investigation into you. And as far as the criminal charge was it expunged? As long as that is the only criminal history and with it being a misdemeanor you should be ok anyway. Call CPS and speak with your granddaughters social worker. Don't wait the sooner the better.
Mommy2my2boys said...
I have a cousin that is in fostercare in another state. I called DHS in that state and let them know that I was family and that I wanted the child. They told me no. RU was not a goal and it was going adoption but they wanted to keep the child in state. So they picked a foster home over a family home and did not even get my NAME. So they could just decide against it. They told me that I could get an attorney and fight it if I wanted but they were not going to even look at me for kinship care.



was it texas? i had the same thing happen with my cousins in texas. but we ended up getting a forever placement shortly thereafter.

our adopted kiddos grandma wanted them. was granted monthly visits, showed for 3 maybe. the cw told us 'gma wants them and is going through homestudy but even if she passes we won't let them go there. she let mom get married at 14 to a 24 year old, all of her kids had drug and criminal backgrounds, and why would we give her these kids to repeat the pattern with? ' in the end, the state she lived in approved her 'if this son moves out.' he moved out. they went back in and he'd moved back in so they failed her. we were told after a year that the bond with us was too strong and that the kids had so many special needs they wouldn't move them to any relative that showed up.
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That is all that is in our history. We told the old worker, the home study person, and the new worker...the workers in the town that she is in have our background already. The home study lady is telling us she is "waiting on them to come back." This sounds fishy to me because I can pull someone's background in 24-48 hours. I told the case worker this and she agrees it has taken too long. It has been 2 1/2 weeks since the lady for the home study came to our house. The case worker says either that lady has a lot on her desk and hasn't gottne to us, or there is a "flag" in our case. So, she said she would call her and find out what the delay is about? I told her, I don't know what there would be, but if here is something at least please tell us so that we can have a plan. My daughter is getting out of jail on the 28th. I would like to know whether I need to transfer her up to my town (her hometown; to live with another family member) to do her program to get the baby back while we have the baby. Or if she needs to stay down there with family because they are not going to give the baby to us...Either way, bad news or good news, any news is better than nothing...I pleaded with the case worker to JUST COMMUNICATE! She said she would look into it...
We get unsupervised visits with the baby. They allow us to take her for hours and drop her back off so I can't see what the flag could be??? As I said, my hubby just had that one misdemeanor 13 years ago, no it was not expunged, the case is so old they purged the files though. He told me last night he thinks he may have had a marijuana charge when he was 17 or 18, but he is 40 now so...I don't know, if either of those things would hold us back from getting placement of a child that we have already raised since birth..If so, we will get a lawyer because that is ridiculous. We own a very nice home in a very nice neighborhood, we both work and have good stable jobs and income. We have eight children who are very well taken care of and have never been in trouble with CPS, our kids have never had any trouble with the law, and get good grades. I will nail them to the wall if they keep that baby from this family. She is with an adoptive parent who speaks no english, which is my daughters native language. Who keeps her in bed with her at night and asked me for her birth certificate so that she could take her to Mexico to introduce her to family over there! I don't think so...I am hispanic, so I am not against her or anything but my grand daughter is not her baby! I am extremely angry at this point and have heard nothing from the case worker yet
I believe there are times that a child's medical needs and proximity to specialist comes into play in decisions for the child.
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