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[url=http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/09/20389254-adopted-girl-says-mother-forced-her-to-dig-her-own-grave?lite]Adopted girl says mother forced her to dig her own grave - Investigations[/url]
By Monica Alba, Kate Snow and Mark Schone
NBC News
Editor's Note: Today's stories are the first in a series of online and broadcast reports on adoption by Reuters and NBC News.
Kind regards,
Dickons
From the New York Daily News:
More than a decade ago, when foreign adoptions were booming, Priscilla Whatcott spoke out about her experience with her damaged Russian daughter and the perils faced by Americans who adopt from overseas. In Congressional testimony and media accounts, she couched the case as a consumer-rights issue: Adoption agencies, she warned, face no repercussions for failing to disclose pre-existing problems of children they place. Today, 16 years on, Whatcott still compares adopting Inga to buying "a pig in a poke" or being "sold a bill of goods."
From Reuters:
Whatcott's solution was tougher liability laws. "Clearly, we would have avoided much of this heartache and tragedy if consumer protection laws pertaining to international adoption had been in place," she wrote in testimony submitted to Congress in 1999.Ӕ
Whatcott also said that her family refused to pay for Ingas care and hid their money under the bed to hide their assets from Michigan officials.
Among the many, many issues on this subject, this points out two: 1) there were resources available, but the adoptive parents didnҒt want to pay for them, and 2), the aparents saw themselves not as parents, in the way the term parentsӔ is commonly understood, but as consumersӔ of another countrys children.
I agree with the posters who said that outrage is the appropriate reaction, and it especially should outrage decent adoptive parents. I also agree that some of the posts seem to be glossing over or even attempting to justify some pretty abhorrent actions. Yes, some biological parents are abusive, even crazily abusive (thatҒs why children go into foster care and become available for adoption). They shouldnt be the standard that adoptive parents are held toҗits like saying why are you prosecuting me for one murder when other people are serial killers. Sets the bar pretty low.
In the case of Inga, whom the WalcottҒs removed from Russia, she is now, after 5 rehomings,Ӕ a functioning 27-year-old who is attached to the final family that took her indespite Priscilla Walcottגs stated (to an AP reporter) that sometimes she thought the best solution was for God to take her, it turns out that the best solution for Inga was not death but to eventually, excruciatingly wind up with someone who acted like a real, loving parent.
I thought I could be open-minded, and in some ways I am ( posts on this and other forums from really decent families who stepped in and seriously parented a ӓre-homed child, but have to say it turns me off to see aparents who adopted internationally and then abandoned the childԗlegally or notbeing portrayed as the victims. Of the systemחwhich systemthe one that they were perfectly willing to go along as long as they thought they could get what they want?חor of the children. Pig in a poke indeed.
Absolutely there needs to be much more education for potential adoptive parentsand absolutely that isnגt going to happen as long as the adoption industry is driven by the profits that can be made by consumersӔ willing to pay for their product.Ӕ So first, the profit motive needs to be eliminated entirely.
Second, there needs to be a change in the egocentric mindset that any American familyno matter how dysfunctional or abusiveחhas to be better than what a child will endureӔ in an orphanageӔ in their own country.
Third, the burden on dysfunction in the family needs to be put on the adoptive family, not the child. Your adoptive child maybe screwed upor maybe just doesnגt like you and that doesnt mean she had RADҗthe child is not the villain here. The child is someone that you took into your home under the understanding (pretext?) that you would act as an actual parent.
Adoptive parents are not the victims of children who never asked to go to their home in the first place. Kid has bad behavior? Kid (as one post from another forum I read is 2-years old but now Im pregnant and the stress is affecting me and my husband-of course I am asking for how to rehome?)җtough. Why the hell did you adopt this kid in the first place?
It is not the childs place to complete a family. It is not the governmentҒs place to ensure that you havent bought ғa pig in a poke.
One child a week on one website. I donԒt believe for a minute that all of them were advertised because they were violent and the families were in fear of their lives, and I also dont believe that the families advertising these children had there best interests in mind.
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I realize I linked to the wrong article in my comments about Maureen's post. [URL="http://lightofdaystories.com/2013/09/12/to-npr-pbs-news-media-dont-ask-me-dont-quote-me/"]This[/URL] is maureen's post.
The quotes were right but I miscopied. Sorry for any confusion.
Now this [URL="http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/23421226/re-homing-parents-go-online-to-find-new-homes-for-kids"]article[/URL], referencing a FB group second chance adoptions, I think is a little misleading. It lumps second chance adoptions into the Reuters report.
Second chance is a program of Edited To Remove Agency Name. They require proper homestudies and adherence to ICPC. The problem I have is that this group publicly posts pictures of the children and detailed history including ages, country adopted from and the problems. That info needs to be shared, but publicly? that part bothers me.
So, I'll go on record stating that I don't think it's always wrong to dissolve an adoption. And done properly, I can support.
I do wonder though, how many of these situations were originally adopted through XXX and how many are just families glad to find an agency to try and help them. And how many of these situations could have been avoided with proper training and post adoption support. Several of the children listed are either in RTCs or have been. It's really quite sad.
Leeah
When I was waiting to be matched I was presented with the situation of a 4 1/2 month old baby placed at birth (domestic infant adoption). The adoption was finalized and then the adoptive parents became aware of some alcohol exposure (not full blown FAS but there were some effects of the alcohol exposure). They went through my local agency to relinquish their rights and choose adoptive parents- just as they would have if they were biological parents choosing adoption for their child. I was originally told I was the "first choice" but ultimately not chosen by these APs.
You better believe I had some judgements about them. I'm still not sure how they could do what they did- throw a baby away because it wasn't "perfect". Who does that??!!
This blows my mind.
I can understand being wary of alcohol exposure before birth & placement, and choosing not to accept a placement of a child who might have exposure issues, but by 4 1/2 months I was so completely in love with both of my children that they could have sprouted a second head & it wouldn't have changed a thing. (Heck, by 4 1/2 *days* I was probably already in that place.)
I don't like to judge, but I just can't wrap my head around it.
Leeah
dmarie, sadly this kind of thing does happen. Biological parents hand their kids off to strangers if they can't handle them, too. I work with kids and I hear of this all the time. Children are left with a "family friend" who really isn't a friend or known to the family at all.
Any parent, biological or adoptive, should have to go through proper channels if they need for someone else to raise their child. You're right, it's no different.
There is a difference in the perspective of the public-at-large, though.
You do occasionally read about parents who advertise looking to place/sell their (biological) children. It makes news. People repost the links all over Facebook & talk about what kind of a monster would advertise her own child on craigslist.
When adoptive parents disrupt, the typical response from outside the adoption world is one of sympathy for the poor, struggling adoptive parents who tried their best but the child was just too damaged. The extreme cases - the boy who was sent back to Russia springs to mind - get a negative reaction, but this series marks the first time when I've seen a widespread negative reaction from outside the adoption community. And even still, the negative reaction is less "how could they advertise their children on craigslist?" and more "they really should have checked out the person they were giving their kid to."
Adoptive parents need to be better prepared. There need to be services and support available - and affordable - for families adopting children from circumstances that are likely to create difficulties in the children's adjustment and attachment. Disruptions should be extraordinarily rare, but without that preparation and support, they are inevitable.
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Patsymae
Absolutely there needs to be much more education for potential adoptive parentsand absolutely that isnגt going to happen as long as the adoption industry is driven by the profits that can be made by consumersӔ willing to pay for their product.Ӕ So first, the profit motive needs to be eliminated entirely.
Second, there needs to be a change in the egocentric mindset that any American familyno matter how dysfunctional or abusiveחhas to be better than what a child will endureӔ in an orphanageӔ in their own country.
Third, the burden on dysfunction in the family needs to be put on the adoptive family, not the child. Your adoptive child maybe screwed upor maybe just doesnגt like you and that doesnt mean she had RADҗthe child is not the villain here. The child is someone that you took into your home under the understanding (pretext?) that you would act as an actual parent.
Adoptive parents are not the victims of children who never asked to go to their home in the first place. Kid has bad behavior? Kid (as one post from another forum I read is 2-years old but now Im pregnant and the stress is affecting me and my husband-of course I am asking for how to rehome?)җtough. Why the hell did you adopt this kid in the first place?
It is not the childs place to complete a family. It is not the governmentҒs place to ensure that you havent bought ғa pig in a poke.
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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/governments-call-u-track-foreign-adoptees-205845313.html]Governments call on U.S. to track foreign adoptees - Yahoo News[/url]
Kind regards,
Dickons
Exactly Meghann! It's incomprehensible. I can't wrap my mind around it either. I loved Sweet pea so much from the very beginning I couldn't imagine losing her! Nothing that came up would have mattered.
Again, I do understand someone with an older child who has such significant needs that they sadly realize that another family might be more equipped to meet. I also understand a family that has to protect other children in the house who are in danger. I don't know what THIS particular family's excuse was.
meghann
This blows my mind.
I can understand being wary of alcohol exposure before birth & placement, and choosing not to accept a placement of a child who might have exposure issues, but by 4 1/2 months I was so completely in love with both of my children that they could have sprouted a second head & it wouldn't have changed a thing. (Heck, by 4 1/2 *days* I was probably already in that place.)
I don't like to judge, but I just can't wrap my head around it.
Exactly Meghann! It's incomprehensible. I can't wrap my mind around it either. I loved Sweet pea so much from the very beginning I couldn't imagine losing her! Nothing that came up would have mattered.
Again, I do understand someone with an older child who has such significant needs that they sadly realize that another family might be more equipped to meet. I also understand a family that has to protect other children in the house who are in danger. I don't know what THIS particular family's excuse was.
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I ran across something yesterday. Hadn't noticed this line of thinking before...
A friend was asking me, the adopted one:rolleyes:, for advice. She is worried about one of her neighbors. She suspects the parents are neglecting or abusing the child. Sees and hears her on the screen porch nearly all day, she apparently isn't attending school. Has heard lots of yelling and doors slamming. Hears the child crying, she's 10. Yesterday she hopped the fence and went to talk to the young girl on the porch who lives behind her. The girl said they wouldn't let her inside, she's being punished for being bad, she'd wet the bed.
OK, so not good at all IMO. I tell my friend YES ABSOLUTELY CALL CPS.
Friend says she didn't think she should since this girl was adopted, and she didn't want to mess that up, being that adoption is so lovely, and adopted parents don't do that sort of thing, she'd hate to break up this family and see the child put in foster care....
:grr: WTH!!
BethVA62
I ran across something yesterday. Hadn't noticed this line of thinking before...
A friend was asking me, the adopted one:rolleyes:, for advice. She is worried about one of her neighbors. She suspects the parents are neglecting or abusing the child. Sees and hears her on the screen porch nearly all day, she apparently isn't attending school. Has heard lots of yelling and doors slamming. Hears the child crying, she's 10. Yesterday she hopped the fence and went to talk to the young girl on the porch who lives behind her. The girl said they wouldn't let her inside, she's being punished for being bad, she'd wet the bed.
OK, so not good at all IMO. I tell my friend YES ABSOLUTELY CALL CPS.
Friend says she didn't think she should since this girl was adopted, and she didn't want to mess that up, being that adoption is so lovely, and adopted parents don't do that sort of thing, she'd hate to break up this family and see the child put in foster care....
:grr: WTH!!
Can you she her a link to Hana's story or let her read it on your computer - so she can see what happens when an adoptee gets monster parents?
Kind regards,
Dickons
BethVA,
I have followed this thread and havent felt a need to post. But quite frankly, I would call CPS myself if I knew my friend well enough to know where she lives and which house she is referring to.
I realize that CPS probably wouldnt do anything on such hearsay, but I would still call. AND I would tell my friend that I called and that reitterate that she really needs to because that child is in danger. clearly.
BethVA62
I ran across something yesterday. Hadn't noticed this line of thinking before...
A friend was asking me, the adopted one:rolleyes:, for advice. She is worried about one of her neighbors. She suspects the parents are neglecting or abusing the child. Sees and hears her on the screen porch nearly all day, she apparently isn't attending school. Has heard lots of yelling and doors slamming. Hears the child crying, she's 10. Yesterday she hopped the fence and went to talk to the young girl on the porch who lives behind her. The girl said they wouldn't let her inside, she's being punished for being bad, she'd wet the bed.
OK, so not good at all IMO. I tell my friend YES ABSOLUTELY CALL CPS.
Friend says she didn't think she should since this girl was adopted, and she didn't want to mess that up, being that adoption is so lovely, and adopted parents don't do that sort of thing, she'd hate to break up this family and see the child put in foster care....
:grr: WTH!!
In my state you can call children's services anonymously. Yes, there's a potential for misuse, but it's better than letting a kid stay abused. So you can call if your friend won't. I hope you decide to do that.
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We hopped the fence and went to visit the young lady, again on the back porch. Talked to her parents about what, at this point, we both had witnessed. We offered help, they denied the blatantly obvious, they declined any help.
After talking with them, we let them know that we would be calling CPS. And we did. I was told that they would send someone to investigate today, it helped that most working there know me well. I can only imagine how difficult it would have been if I didn't know them:rolleyes: I'm on my way to wait on my friends' back porch for CPS while we keep an eye out on our new young friend.
I showed my friend a few articles about Hana and others, and some personal stories on the forum of adoptees that got abusive aparents. She was utterly horrified and heartbroken like the rest of us. Shame on me, shame on the family that lives behind her, we ruined her pretty view of adoption.
She said she had this belief in her head that some adopted kids are going to have difficulties and adopted parents knew what it took to help them, because 'those kids' are different, and adopted parents are different and are equipped to handle 'those kids'. No matter how bad it looked to outsiders, adopted parents just don't do that sort of thing.
:grr:
She was surprised at herself that she'd had this belief. Couldn't believe that she had thought that way, and is trying to figure out how that belief came about in her, cause she really knew better all along.
I called it brainwashed.
BethVA62
We hopped the fence and went to visit the young lady, again on the back porch. Talked to her parents about what, at this point, we both had witnessed. We offered help, they denied the blatantly obvious, they declined any help.
After talking with them, we let them know that we would be calling CPS. And we did. I was told that they would send someone to investigate today, it helped that most working there know me well. I can only imagine how difficult it would have been if I didn't know them:rolleyes: I'm on my way to wait on my friends' back porch for CPS while we keep an eye out on our new young friend.
I showed my friend a few articles about Hana and others, and some personal stories on the forum of adoptees that got abusive aparents. She was utterly horrified and heartbroken like the rest of us. Shame on me, shame on the family that lives behind her, we ruined her pretty view of adoption.
She said she had this belief in her head that some adopted kids are going to have difficulties and adopted parents knew what it took to help them, because 'those kids' are different, and adopted parents are different and are equipped to handle 'those kids'. No matter how bad it looked to outsiders, adopted parents just don't do that sort of thing.
:grr:
She was surprised at herself that she'd had this belief. Couldn't believe that she had thought that way, and is trying to figure out how that belief came about in her, cause she really knew better all along.
I called it brainwashed.
I'm so happy you did that.Think how different it would have been for Lisa Steinberg (for those old enough to remember) if someone had gotten involved and not thought that affluent, professional adoptive parents had to be wonderful. Even though it's asking a lot, I hope you and/or your friend continue to keep an eye out because sometimes parents take it out more on the kid if they have attracted scrutiny. Good for you and your friend.