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If bio dad already surrendered his rights are we obligated to send him updates/photos after adoption? We didn't sign anything, just got a phone call saying he surrendered to us.
walkermom
I don't really think that's a fair statement from you. This child's birth father had NO contact by his own choice since the child was born!! NO visits, nothing. So to make a statement like that isn't fair. Unless you get all the information from the foster mom...not all cases are the same...
It was not a statement. It was a question for the OP to consider.
Remember, children become adults. And, when that happens the adults who raised them will have to be comfortable explaining their decisions.
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I wish these boards had "like" buttons as well! Had it not been for the adoption worker finding him accidentally he still would not know he ever had a "daughter". When our daughter's 18 she will make the decision to contact or not contact this man she's never known, but it will be up to her. In the meantime, I think we have a responsibility to do what we feel is best.
austinangel90210
In the meantime, I think we have a responsibility to do what we feel is best.
AGREE completely. Best to your family
austinangel90210
I wish these boards had "like" buttons as well! Had it not been for the adoption worker finding him accidentally he still would not know he ever had a "daughter". When our daughter's 18 she will make the decision to contact or not contact this man she's never known, but it will be up to her. In the meantime, I think we have a responsibility to do what we feel is best.
So basically - he was never given the opportunity to be a father by the child's mother. Yet when he found out what had taken place, and where his daughter was now, and that she was apparently doing well - he made the greatest sacrifice any father can do for his child - he put her needs over his need to know his child...
Sure - deciding to forego contact via updates and/or pictures will be completely understandable to the child...especially when you tell her he wanted to stay in contact...and being truthful that is important to tell.
Kind regards,
Dickons
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Updates and pictures aren't that big a deal. I'm going to start sending pics to J and B's bio dad, who is incarcerated. I HATE what he did and his thinking at the time but because of him, I have a family. All the bios are missing out.
My point is that as parents, whether biological or not, it is not our right to judge other people for their decisions when it comes to adoption. And what works for your family does not always work for others. You shouldn't project what a child will do when they are teens either... everyone is different and we should respect each other's opinions
What Dickons said is my point -- my kids birth parents paid the highest price possible for what they did (or didn't do) for my kids. They LOST the kids. They get nothing in terms of a relationship or input or even ever watching a soccer game or a goodnight kiss. There is no worse punishment or loss that I can fathom than losing my kids - for being incapable of parenting them and realizing it.
AND, sadly, my kids also lost. Like your daughter did -- she lost the right to be raised in her family of birth, she lost the right to know her biological father and his family, she lost the right to be raised in her community of birth etc.
YOU - as her adoptive parent - have the opportunity to mitigate that loss by providing her information, answers to her questions (which I promise you will come long before she is 18). You have the chance to walk along side her as she grows and matures to provide her support to learn about her biological history etc and instead you are choosing to tell her "We decided it was best for you to know nothing and have no contact. You can do it on your own when you are 18" ??
Have you met any teenagers ;) lol Truth is sometimes hard, but I promise you having that information HELPS you be a better parent. It doesn't cost you anything and can reward you MUCH. Why wouldn't you provide that for your child. As I said, she may never care, but if she does and YOU chose to deny her that -- you have inflicted more pain on your child. And that is a horrible position to be in.
walkermom
My point is that as parents, whether biological or not, it is not our right to judge other people for their decisions when it comes to adoption. And what works for your family does not always work for others. You shouldn't project what a child will do when they are teens either... everyone is different and we should respect each other's opinions
Walkermom,
Why would anyone post on a discussion forum if you just wanted the answer that justifies your position? I know you are not the original poster - but asking a question means you will get advice, and perhaps you won't like the BTDT advice from others who have walked through it...but it is advice nonetheless.
For the record - Jensboys knowledge of the teen years is current - and yet it would also have been perfect advice when I was a teen 30+ years ago - in other words - timeless.
Kind regards,
Dickons
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Honestly, I do not know your situation. I am not here to judge you
I can tell you why I offered to consider some level of OA with DD's biological father - a man she's never met.
At 9 years old (this Sunday - woo hoo), she doesn't understand how a man she's never met can be her dad. In time she will. In time, she will need to understand how this man could raise 2 kids of his own and not ask about her.
I cannot answer those questions.. And I don't want to be seen as the person who kept her "dad" away
I've offered to speak to him about updates (no visits, until we set some boundaries). He has declined. Fine. Makes my life easier
But I can, with an open conscience, tell my teenage daughter that i did not keep him away. That I saved the one piece of paperwork that accidentally forgot to white out his name.
So, when its time, she should be able to track him down
IMHO, I think it has helped J and B to heal - knowing I know of her and I'm not judgmental. I ask them about missing them and talking to them so they have control. They know I send pics and report cards. It's one less thing for them to worry about.
Wow! What responses! I should have clarified....her case has tarried on for almost 20 months; he found out he had a daughter a year ago. This is the second child he's given up. And, yes, I know there will be questions, and we believe with-holding truth is the same thing as lying. In this case the bio family situation has not changed since our daughter was abandoned. Sometimes keeping a connection causes more hurt.
But we will most certainly be willing to answer her questions honestly when the time comes! Right now we're just thrilled we have the honor of calling her our daughter!!!
austinangel90210
Wow! What responses! I should have clarified....her case has tarried on for almost 20 months; he found out he had a daughter a year ago. This is the second child he's given up. And, yes, I know there will be questions, and we believe with-holding truth is the same thing as lying. In this case the bio family situation has not changed since our daughter was abandoned. Sometimes keeping a connection causes more hurt.
But we will most certainly be willing to answer her questions honestly when the time comes! Right now we're just thrilled we have the honor of calling her our daughter!!!
Austin - I truly do understand your joy at finalization and the desire to cocoon and just BE a family for a while. Been there, done that -- actually doing it right now with the baby we finalized on Aug 22. A break to just be is really nice.
What those of us down the road a bit further are trying to tell you that despite the fact all your reasons for not wanting safe, structured and appropriate contact are really valid FOR YOU -- your child may not care one bit.
My 2 older boys have 5 additional siblings. They suffered horrid abuse at the hands of their birth parents whom they only lived with briefly as infants. Their case carried on 36 months. Their birth father is in jail due to his circumstances not changing until the kids are 30 and 31. And my kids - particularly from about age 7/8 on just DO NOT CARE.
What they wanted to know were things I could have never answered without safe, appropriate and on going contact. Music tastes, food tastes, family history information, even changing medical information. My one son starting at age 12 began to ask to meet them, and we did do that when he was 13. He is now 18 and I can promise you that if we had not facilitated that real meeting (in a federal jail for birth dad, and with a mentally ill and very weird maternal birth family on birth moms side) we would have NEVER been able to effectively parent him through the ages of 14-16. His full bio brother has never had a desire to meet his birth parents YET - but he has needed the honest and current information. Not information about "when you were two they lived here and were doing such and such" but CURRENT information. Even just knowing they were alive and what they looked like helped the kids not fantasize (which most adopted kids do) that their birth parents were walking down the streets etc. My kids NEEDED to hear from their birth parents that they were loved.
I write an article about it a few years back [url=http://anickelsworthofcommonsense.blogspot.ca/2010/06/why-openness.html]A Nickel's Worth of Common Sense: Why Openness?[/url]
Why do I believe in open contact even when families are dysfunctional, addicted or even actively participating in criminal acts?
Because I believe it's best for my kids. I took my son to meet his biological father in a Federal Prison. Was that easy? Of course not. It was scary and overwhelming and slightly nauseating, and that was just for ME, I cannot fathom what he was feeling, but it was still totally the right thing to do.
Why? Because my son wanted to. Because it's his truth and his reality. Because he has a right to love his parent even if I would rather my kids never talked to anyone who has ever used drugs in their entire lives.
Because he needed to know with his own ears that he was loved BY THEM.
My love, my overabundant, over whelming, huge amount of pure love for my kids cannot erase their need and desire to be loved by their original parents.
And he needed to know it and hear it at five and six and eight and thirteen, not at 18 or 21 or whatever random age the state told him he was allowed to know. Because he needed to know, for real, that I respected his needs more than I worried about my own insecurities. Because he needed to see that I LIKED his biological parents good parts in order to truly believe deep down that I loved all of him too.
How could I deny him that? How could I deny my child ANYTHING he needed even if that means I get really, really uncomfortable.
Is it easy dealing with things that I have absolutely ZERO life experience dealing with? No. Honestly, I never thought I would be traipsing to prisons to visit people important to my kids. I never, ever fathomed that I would EVER have a police officer drop by to retrieve stolen property during a visit with anyone in my life EVER. I didn't fathom a life where I had to explain to children why the person we are visiting once hurt them, and why it's ok to be angry at someone and then still be ok to love them. I didn't expect to be comfortable explaining mental illness to a six year old or the effects of sexual promiscuity to a ten year old.
I have never so much as smoked a cigarette in my life so I never really thought I would have to understand intimately the power of addiction and its affect on my children.
But you know I really, really love my kids. And they are really, really amazing kids and they are really, really worth it.
I understand that some would use any of the ample excuses at my disposal as a reason to close an adoption. Run-ins with the police, active addiction, inappropriate gifts, uncomfortable situations, angry family members, criminal activities are all reasons we hear for closing up relationships. My kids first parents live complicated, confusing, difficult lives. That I do not deny. And I love them.
I love them because I see in their eyes the beauty that is my children. I see that with a different life and different choices and different supports they could have and would have and most importantly SHOULD HAVE been safe parents to our children. I see pain and broken hearts and hurting people. And I see parents. Parents who have little to give other than love, and that's ok with me.
These complicated, difficult people who make horrible choices in many areas of their lives treat me, and our family, with respect. I don't know why they do, but they do. So I trust them to love their children, our children, my children within the boundaries that are safe. And they do. And if ever we are not treated in a why I wish we were, I forget easily, forgive quickly and explain endlessly our boundaries.
Yesterday, after all the craziness of puppies and police, I watched my two year old be snuggled by her other mother. The woman from whom she inherited her beautiful smile and striking eyes. The woman from whom she inherited a curiosity that cannot be stated. The woman who created her. And that woman, that mother, said over and over again "I love you! I love you! I love you".
My two year old who can't sit still longer than 40 seconds may not value those words today, but I know she would one day feel their absence intimately. She may never know what it costs both of the mothers sitting in that room to forge a relationship together, but she will know she was loved deeply by both of us.
And that is a good enough reason for me.
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Blondie's BP couldn't get their act together to raise him and I was angry at them. How could they choose drugs over this beautiful baby boy. They don't deserve to see pics of him growing up. I felt they just threw away their child. Blondie was going to be mine not theirs. But then I realized Blondie deserved to have his BP in his life even if it was only through pictures. But somehow it turned into visits and I would never change it for the world. We see Bio dad and paternal GP every month sometimes more. Blondie loves going to a house where he is spoiled. Do I like it? Not so much but I do it for him. Bio mom acts like she wants contact but then just disappears so I no longer send her pics b/c I don't have time to track her down every month. My son will always know I put him first and tried my best to keep his connection to his birth family. But when it comes down to it we all are just trying to do the best we can for our kids and no one should be judged for that. Best wishes for you beautiful future with your daughter!
Such a lovely response! Thank you! I really am glad for ALL advice on these forums, we have learned so much.
This process would be so much easier if we could see every part of the picture, our lives, bios' lives, and down the road in our daughter's future life. But we can't so like kidsrmyheart said, we do the best we can, making decisions that we feel are best. Will we make mistakes? Of course! But we believe in a merciful God and we're trusting Him to help us make the best choices and to learn from our wrong choices WHEN we make them!
Thanks for all of the advice, everyone!!!