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I was just curious to hear from those who have been in time out/Pull back---If given the chance again, is it hard to trust? I mean how do you begin again???
Jackie---did you find your book???
I am going to find what Julia Cameron writes about anger and type it up here.. I have lost my Artist Way book.. but I think I know where it is packed..
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From The Artist Way.. Julia Cameron.. page 61 I am quoting from this wonderful book for purposes of discussion..
Anger is Fuel.. We feel it and we want to do something. Hit someone, break something, throw a fit, smash a fist into the wall, tell those bastards. But we are nice people, and what we want to do with our anger is stuff it, deny it, bury it, block it, hide it, lie about it, medicate it, muffle it, ignore it. We do everything but listen to it..
Anger is meant to be listened to . Anger is a voice, a shout, a plea, a demand. Anger is meant to be respected. Why? Because anger is a map. Anger shows us what our boundaries are. Anger shows us where we want to go. It lets us see where weŒve been and lets us know when we havent liked it.
Me..
I think of my anger with the people who did not help me when I needed that help the most.. I can remember being afraid that if I ever let it out I would hurt my mom' and dad.. Physically hurt them..
I believe that some of us are afraid of our anger because we feel we have to confront the people who made us angry.. Who are the source of our pain'.. or angst.. or frustration.. Who are the ones who let us down..
I can remember at a twelve step meeting.. a woman sharing about how when we break a leg.. or something like that.. we do not go and kick the something that broke our leg.. a car, wall etc..
What we do is mend the leg.. Send healing' thoughts to it..etc
So I do not believe we need to confront the ones who we are the most angry with.. That is not the real issue.. that is just going to give us a chance to say.. ғI told you.. and I am.. and all those good words.. What we need to do is find the anger and work it out.. in our own brain'.. in our own feeling self..
As CameronԒs says.. anger shows us what we have not liked..
Further down that page.
Anger is meant to be acted upon. It is not meant to be acted out. Anger points the direction. We are meant to use anger as fuel to take the actions we need to move where our anger points us. With a little thought, we can usually translate the message that our anger is sending us..
And if we go and kick the car or kick the person who is making us angry.. then we are diverted.. we are living a life on terms of other people.. What they want..
Cameron is big on journaling.. She has a person wake up in the morning and start writing.. Stream of thought writing.. Writing down the stuff that we actually do not know is there.. I did it for a few years.. and I think it really helped me. I can remember writing about my anger with my mom'.. I was communicating with myself.. I was letting myself know my feelings..
My thoughts were traveling from my brain' to my hand then to the paper.. Tactile.. Making a map..
(no one sees these pages.. very important)
Jackie
mamabee
Oh Jackie...if you only knew how many times I have rehearsed this all in my mind. I think the basic pain came from me, being the private person that I am, giving my heart to a total stranger just because she was/is my blood daughter. Through telephone conversations before we actually met, we both really connected or so I thought. The 2nd day after meeting me, she had no contact with me whatsoever. My family drove almost 700 miles to see her; to spend a week getting to know her and we got nothing. From that point on, I was constantly walking on eggshells...wondering if my every move was the right move...would she like me...am I giving her enough space...am I giving her enough attention...sometimes she responded and then other times she withdrew. I had no knowledge of pull backs; I thought we were in this together and this is what we both wanted.
After a week of feeling totally un-nerved, they came to visit us. One more week of walking on eggshells. Am I making her trip enjoyable? Is everyone being nice to her? Am I buying her enough gifts? Did she ever give anything back? Not to my knowledge...not to my families knowledge. I feel violated that she couldn't appreciate the fact that I was struggling with emotions as well as her. But did I stop showering my affection...my love for her...no, I did not. I kept trying and trying but nothing I did was good enough. After I spent a lot of money on her and her unborn child, telling her I was buying because I wouldn't be around, then the day before they leave to go back home, she tells me they are moving here. I felt so so so used.
However, I kept the smile on my face and kept trying. My husband gave her husband a very high paying job (he had no prior experience); we did the fancy firsts with the birthdays, christmas', baby showers, wedding...etc. Thus, she still said I was not trying...nothing I did was good enough.
After almost having a nervous breakdown, I had to stop. She wouldn't go to therapy with me...she would never see anything but what she thought..which was me doing more for her. But she never did anything for me..this hurt. A relationship should be two sided...not one-sided...why couldn't she show me just a little that she cared...I would have kept trying. I couldn't take it anymore...my kids, my family, my friends, they all kept telling me to let her go...she is using you.
To top it off, her husband brags to others we know that he was told to come here by his old boss and take us for everything we are worth. Why? What did we do that was so horrible? This is/was not the child I mourned for for 22 years. Now I battle my mind everyday...wondering what I did wrong. How and what could I have done differently?
I have poured my heart out many times here, and the response is mostly, she is young (23), let her mature...time will heal things. But will it? Yes, I go back and forth to crying some weeks to being angry other weeks. I struggle with just knowing how to move forward again...how do I become me again?
WOW merrill, that is really sad. I think you need to understand she is acting like a spoiled brat and right now is not "pulling back" because of any adoption issue. Stop giving , stop making her the center of your being....she does not appreciate it and does not desrve it at this point. If you had a child that you raised that was acting like this would you put up with it? I think not.....don't let her use you as emotional blackmail.
Now..hopefully once she matures(if ever) their may be a different person emerging and different circumstances. I trully believe that reunion for a teen or young adult is iffy.
Those of you who have experienced the time out/pull backs do you just go on with your lives as if nothing ever had happened?
mamabee
Those of you who have experienced the time out/pull backs do you just go on with your lives as if nothing ever had happened?
I'm carrying on with my life but not as if nothing ever happened. I still display photos of my son and if anybody asks after him I just say I haven't heard from him for a while as it's easier than explaining. On the other hand I can't wallow as life is too short.
Pip :wings:
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Oh Pip...I am glad you are still here....I thought everyone had left for another website....I was feeling confused and didn't know what to do.
I am beginning to do this also....go on as if nothing had ever happened. I have a close family with my other children and their spouses and my sister and her family and my niece and her family. We have always been so close and since all "this" has been going on with the reunion of my daughter and the difficulties that have occured...eveyone has been sort of waiting on me for direction...they have been supportive but all just kind of in limbo. I have cried until I feel another tear could not possibly sqeeze out and I have asked everyone to pray...I finally just feel like going on with my life. I am sad still...I would have loved to have my daughter and her family as a part of my life...but I guess right now it is just not possible.
It isn't easy for family members as they don't really know what to say for the best. I don't talk to my sister, haven't done so for over 7 years, due to her lies about me getting out of hand. My mum never mentions my son to me but I did find out a while back from my son (pre falling out) that in 2001 he asked her if it was still okay for him to ring her and she said no. My dad only mentions him if I mention him first but then he doesn't say much. My in-laws regularly ask how my son is as they just accept that he is my son.
I still have my moments when I get down so allow myself that time as I don't want to deny my feelings. At times like this it does help to share with you as you do understand what I am going through. I'm not going to disappear on you as we can empathise with each other.
Pip :wings:
mamabee
Those of you who have experienced the time out/pull backs do you just go on with your lives as if nothing ever had happened?
Altho' I think it would be much easier if we could move ahead with our lives as if nothing ever happened, I don't think its possible. It can never go back to the way it was before, when we were 'in the sleep', just as it never was "just as if it never happened" the first time, after the birth. But at the same time, I think we need to find a way to move forward in our lives, when we can find that way, and its okay to do so. Are you feeling okay about it?
Merrill
Merrill
I read in a book today............. that those who move on from their pain have an opportunity to look back later in life and understand it. I know this was true for me. Perhaps the lessons learnt give us some wisdom or some peace.
Ann :flower:
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Merill, I am feeling okay with everything. I needed acceptance in my heart for what I was being dealt and I think I am finally feeling it. I am still not at a place where I wish to see my daughter face to face or tolerate anymore of her insults, but being that she wants no contact with me....I am having time to heal and accept.
Ann, that would be absolutely wonderful to be able to look back and understand. I am a firm believer and I believe everything happens for the good...we just have to look for it...sometimes in our grief, we can't see it...so I am looking forward to the day in time when I can have that aha moment.
mamabee
Merill, I am feeling okay with everything. I needed acceptance in my heart for what I was being dealt and I think I am finally feeling it. I am still not at a place where I wish to see my daughter face to face or tolerate anymore of her insults, but being that she wants no contact with me....I am having time to heal and accept.
Ann, that would be absolutely wonderful to be able to look back and understand. I am a firm believer and I believe everything happens for the good...we just have to look for it...sometimes in our grief, we can't see it...so I am looking forward to the day in time when I can have that aha moment.
I think there are two ways in which we experience rejection in reunion -- active or passive. Passive rejection as "no contact" at all and active rejection as when the other person is in it to hurt or punish the other with destructive words and actions. I think when its like this we definitely come to place of needing a time out from it in order to heal and accept -- a time out of the fire, or in other words, how burned are we going to allow ourselves to get for the sake of a relationship that's getting nowhere despite all our efforts? I had a year of time out after two years in, then was open once again to communication, but recently it has circled back to the same place it was before the time out, and I've been feeling devastatingly wounded once again. In Proverbs 12:18 it says "There is one who speaks like the piercings of a sword" but it then follows with, "But the tongue of the wise promotes health." I think we need to find the latter and sometimes need to avoid the former because of what it does to us, and I've found for me, the Scriptures are a healing place. When I allow someone to pierce me over and over again with their tongue it leads into (what I describe as) a 'brain-scramble' and despair, but the opposite for me as a believer is the word of God and also the healing words of others which is ultimately clarifying and healing. Just a few thoughts from my own journey into the dark and light of it.
Merrill
Merrill...that was excellant!!! The Bible also says "we shall know them by their fruits"... This has been a great healing thought for me...because if someone is constantly sowing confusing...then it is best to stay away....
Before I found my bson.. I went to Boston.. I sat in the Boston commons.. (it was half a block from the room I had where I got pregnant) At the edge of the park there is an stone angel.. (I got photos) At the bottom of that angel were the words..
Cast your bread upon the waters, for after many days you will find it again. (Eccl 11:1-6 NIV)
The bson did not find me for a few more years.. but I got heart from that..
I think there is great wisdom in the Bible..
Jackie
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merrill1277
Coming into acceptance doesn't mean that what happened in the past or present was okay... it just is what it is and we can't change it. Coming into acceptance doesn't mean we will no longer grieve, get angry, or need to talk about it. Letting it go is freeing, very freeing! but times may come up again that it (or a part of it) needs to be let go of all over again. It seems to cycle around, or like another layer needs to peel off.
Merrill
This sounds to me suspiciously like those years before I reunited with my son.... The trying to bury the feelings for them only to emerge at inappropriate moments (watching Madame Butterfly give up her son when at the opera one night made me have to get up & leave - sobbing uncontrollably). The having to say "No" when people ask if you have children (but knowing that you did - once - have a child) or doing, as I started to do, say "I had a child once, but I lost him many years ago." The trying to make everything go away and trying to "get on" with your life, but always returning to that well of sorrow.....
You might be able to accept. However, that doesn't necessarily free you. I wish it could.
I was speaking of later into reunion when I wrote that (not earlier years or earlier reunion), and for a while I felt I had experienced a good degree of acceptance... it was real and it was freeing as I really was able to move on for a time... but I think things circled around so soon because there had been no real resolution within the relationship. Within myself there was, and that is why I was able to achieve some level of acceptance and I hope to again... but when the other person is in and out of your life and back in, the process may be a little more complex, until there is a better sense of resolution within it.
The trying to make everything go away and trying to "get on" with your life, but always returning to that well of sorrow......
Yes, I'm not sure this ever ends, but still hope it could somehow.