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PLEASE READ AND GIVE YOUR THOUGHTSThanks SLCC Students An ongoing issues surrounding adoption is that of closed adoption. The concern is the secrecy behind it, and the question is that of how closed should it really be? Is there a time when it becomes unfair to the adopted child or to either of the parents? Closed adoption presents many problems for all parties participating in the adoption process. Will the child one day want to know who her or his birth parents are? And then theres the ever-popular question, where did I come from? Who are my REAL grandparents? What is my Ancestry? Will the birth parents grow to regret giving up the opportunity to one day find out how their child turned out? Another difficulty posed by this, is the lack of medical information that is very difficult to access in many closed adoptions, and that can create a major dilemma in the future for the adopted child. Closed adoptions limit the ability for the adopted child and the birth parents to keep track of one another or the ability to get in touch later in the childҒs life at which point she/he may want to know who her/his birth parents are. Having a closed adoption is wrong and in many cases could be an infringement on ones constitutional rights. Doing away with closed adoptions is the only way to reach an agreement on the closed, partially closed, and open adoption debate. Closed adoption can create anger in the child not knowing why or by whom they were placed for adoption.To remedy the problems so prevalent with closed adoption we have proposed that the state of Utah would no longer have closed adoption, but instead have a system that would mirror the semi-open adoption alternative. What we would like to do is create a database throughout the state that will hold the most current information on both the adopted child and the birth parents. The information will be sealed from either party until the appropriate time. Currently in Utah the legal age when an adoptee can register in order to launch an investigation as to who their birth parents are is 21 years of age. Because the age at which most people begin to be considered adults and start to make life long decisions we propose that the current age of 21 be lowered to a standard 18 years of age. Sure there are accusations and papers saying that open adoption drastically decreases the number of adoptions but we have evidence that makes those statements false. There exist reports on adoptions between 1960 and 1984 show that the number of adoptions declined from a high of 14, 641 in 1968 to 2,910 in 1984 a decline of almost eighty-percent. When looking at the decline in relation to open records, however, it is vital to bear in mind that the records were opened in 1975. When looking at the data from 1968-1976 one sees a decline of sixty-seven percent (from 14,641 to 4,777). Thus, adoptions were declining precipitously even before the records were opened. In fact, a look at the data from 1976-1984 shows that adoption dropped from 4,777 to 2,910, a decline of only thirty-nine percent. "Eric Stern, Birth Mothers, Adopted Children Back Measure to Make Records Accessible, St. Louis Post-Dispatch, January 30, 2000, at B2."What about the infringement on the birth parents rights you ask? Well we do ask for information about the birth parents, but we do not make it available to the adopted child till the legal adult age of 18 and then at that point the birth parent will be contacted not directly by the adoptee but by a state agency that has all of the information. Conducting the adoption this way will allow the birth parents to stay anonymous as well as the adopted child. Having an adoption process like this will help with the adoptee trying to find them selves in todayҒs society as well.Were fortunate enough to have someone with first hand experience to give us an idea of how an adopted individual might think under these circumstances, "Let's see. I don't remember when my parents told me I was adopted but I was really young. My friends asked me questions about it but I was too young to really understand. When I got older, say teens, I started thinking about it more. Eventually I came to the realization, ґHey, I don't know who I am. My adoption was closed. I don't know who my birth parents are, not even their names. It doesn't occupy my mind all the time, but every once in a while I think about that. I don't know my own background, you know, ancestry. People ask me and I say, ґwell, by blood, I don't know. But my adoptive family is British and Scandinavian, mostly. But that isn't MY ancestry. It's kind of hard not knowing where you come from, not being able to answer questions about my own ancestry. Don't get me wrong, I love my parents and I'm happy but it would be nice to know these things. I have a right to know who my parents are and who I'm related to. I hear people talk about their family and ancestry and I think, ґWow, it would be nice to know all that about myself. I am the type of person who is big on being your own person and being proud of who you are. So, for me, not really knowing who I am is a big issue." We donҒt know if our system will eliminate all of the problems surrounding open and closed adoptions, but what we hope to do is create a way for birth parents to help the adopting parents care for their child, through medical history, and allow the adoptee to know who they are and were they come from during their life. Most importantly is the ability to at least make an effort to contact each other when the time is right for both parties. Below is the web address to a forum where you can express your thought and opinions on the situation please feel free to comment on the article as well.
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I have mixed feelings about open adoptions based on my own experiences so bear with me. In my case I didn't want my son to be adopted, there was no good reason for it to happen (I was working so could financially cope as well as emotionally) and it went ahead due to lack of support and being lied to. I was told it was too late to put a stop to the adoption when my son was 6 weeks old which was a lie which I believed so didn't battle to keep him as I thought I couldn't. At the time I wasn't told about open adoptions so apart from one letter from his mother I never heard any more ... found him in 2004. I don't know how I would have coped with an open adoption due to the circumstances of it going through. However if it had been an open adoption I do believe neither of us would have pulled backed from reunion. He found my family years before I found him ... long story but ultimately for years my family lied to him stating that they didn't know where I was when they did plus apparently he has been told nasty things about me which he is inclined to believe rather than get to know me.
To get back to the point on the whole I do believe open adoptions are a good thing. I know children are adopted for many reasons including their original mothers/fathers leading unhealthy lifestyles for example crime, prostitution, abuse, drug addiction. However I do believe children do have a right to have the truth first hand but if they life is in danger through actual contact then safe guards should be in place. If the child is at risk then I do believe it should be a semi open adoption or through a third party. That way they are safe with a form of communication for example by letter.
Pip :wings:
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Hi and thanks for the interesting thread and discussion on this important topic. I am an adoptee who was born in 1955 and had a closed adoption. I regret not knowing any facts or info about my birth parents until I searched for it in my mid- thirties. It was lifechanging to know my true heritage and embrace it, my medical history and meet birth siblings and get photos of my deceased birth parents, seeing my physical traits for the 1st time mirrored in others. Also understanding the WHY I was placed for adoption.
But I am grateful that there was no open adoption due to the fact that my birth parents had a myriad of problems. Both struggled with alcoholism, maritial problems, social issues, communicable disease, mental health issues and poverty. I do not think as a child I would have benefited from communication from them nor my adoptive parents. I feel I would have been quite confused and wrongly assessed how their lives, choices and problems would impact me. It was much easier as an adult to understand human problems and have empathy and separate who they were from who I was. I have deep love for my birth parents as an adult and feel much gratitude for their choice to place me for adoption. I do wish I could have met them face to face and embraced them as an adult before they passed away.
I do think there should be access to the parties through an intermediary to pass on updated information, health history and allow the birth parents to be assured of the child's well-being, and placing letters possibly in the child's adoption file. I know I see this from my own knowledge of my adoption case, and see that closed adoption was better. But I think openness is the best where there are many boundaries in place and limitations for contact.
Thanks for sharing this, I am sure there are diverse feelings on this topic.
Jody ;)
For my two cents, I believe that closed is best. Open adoption can be too confusing for the child. Everyone says it is best, however it is a new concept and already cracks are showing. Children need stability not confusion. And adoptive parents are not babysitters, they are parents, period.In the end is seems to be too hard on everyone, especially the child.
Generally, on these forums everyone seems heavily in favor of open adoptions. It's interesting to see there are people with other opinions. I think open adoptions can work and can be good -- but I don't think they are for everyone or every situation. In our case, we are better off with the adoption firmly closed. As for having a birthparent contact my son once he turns 18, another reason why I would be opposed to that is that the kid would just be starting his senior year in high school. 18 or no, that's not an adult who is out on his own. He's 15 1/2 now and still very much a big kid -- I can't see him being mature enough in a couple of years to deal with the ramifications of a reunion. Robin
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Hmmmmm a lot to think about.....I think the age should be left at 21...I agree with the poster who made the comment about being a senior in HS etc. 18 is a TEENAGER there is SO much going on at that without throwing in Bfamily/Searching stuff... Personally(as I'm sure many of you know by now) I'm not a big fan of open adoption...I have yet to meet a family IRL(in real life/in person) who have had a successful time of it. That's NOT to say they don't exist...I know there are lots of families here on a.com that have good situations. I just haven't witnessed any up close and personal yet :) There are quite a few adoptions out there where there should NEVER be contact and NEVER a chance of the Bfamily getting identifying info on the Afamily and child. I have no problem with a State run database where bfamilies can put their info in, and keep medical info up to date and the adoptee can receive info and leave info(of their own choosing) in return...but I am VERY leary and bit creeped out by the idea that it would manditory for afamilies(or Bfamilies for that matter) to keep info updated and that it would become available on a certain date. I have heard of too many State workers, CW & SWs who feel/felt sorry for triad members and have left files laying out open or their computer screen up so that info that was NOT meant for that triad member could 'accidently' be seen. Overall it just sounds like too much mandating by the state. That the State somehow knows more about my family and personal situation then I do, and that they know best and they are just doing this "for my own good". TOO 'Big Brother' for me.
turk
An ongoing issues surrounding adoption is that of closed adoption.
turk
What about the infringement on the birth parents rights you ask?
turk
.......and then at that point the birth parent will be contacted not directly by the adoptee but by a state agency that has all of the information. Conducting the adoption this way will allow the birth parents to stay anonymous as well as the adopted child.
*Rights are a commonsense one-size-fits-all policy and protection for all citizens without exception. All adults should have the same access to government-held records of their births, whether adopted or not. Preventing adult adoptees from obtaining this information is discriminatory.
*The state must not keep secrets about its citizens; it must not withhold any personal information from them.
* The state's job is to issue an original birth certificate to anycitizen who requests it for himself or herself.
* State governments must not have any special rules that apply only to adopted adults.
* Adopted adults do not want any special treatment; they want to be treated like all other adult citizens
* The state has NO compelling interest in adoptees after they reach the age of majority.
* Adopted adults should be "aged out" of the system in the same way as foster children.
* NEW HAMPSHIRE, ALABAMA, OREGON, KANSAS AND ALASKA, as well as the vast majority of countries in the free world allow adult adoptees to obtain their own historical birth records, consistent with the basic ideas of how a free society's government should operate.
DreamingAzure
There are quite a few adoptions out there where there should NEVER be contact and NEVER a chance of the Bfamily getting identifying info on the Afamily and child.
Originally Posted by DreamingAzure There are quite a few adoptions out there where there should NEVER be contact and NEVER a chance of the Bfamily getting identifying info on the Afamily and child. DreamingAzure, Your post is good but this one sentence did bother me a bit so if I have misunderstood I apologise. It is implying that quite a few first families cannot be trusted which does offend me as it also makes us sound like dangerous people. posted by Montraviatommyg
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Thank you for explaining as I do get defensive at times and I absolutely agree that there are children who do need to be protected. For example there is an adoptee that I have got friendly with whose mother died due to alcoholism which affected her deeply. Don't know any personally whose first mothers are severely bi-polar but understand what you're getting at :) and agree. On the other hand damage is caused by lies being blatently written by social workers which adoptive parents belief (I don't blame them btw) then the first parents has problems if reunion happens because they have to try and prove that lies have been written. A friend has had this problem with her son as he chooses to belief the lies. It is so hard for everybody.
Pip :wings:
I think this article is very appropiate on this thread and Cindy's story is known by many. Whilst I agree there are some cases where the child needs to be protected this is a prime example of how women who relinquished and NOT dangerous are still being treated badly. In this day and age I am appalled that women are treated like and I thought I had been badly treated and used when my son was adopted.
Pip :wings:
"Fast Track Adoption" Ends in Suicide
Natural mother commits suicide after "Fast Track Adoption" book reveals how she was used by the woman who adopted her daughter.
(PRWEB) April 13, 2004 -- Susan Burns, Psy.D. is undoubtedly proud of her book "Fast Track Adoption" which provides prospective adopters some ideas on how to go about soothing a frightened young woman's fears and making her feel she is making a good decision for her child.
But, there is one angle her book does not cover: How will your adopted child's natural mother feel when she finds out how proud you are of the methods you used to talk her out of her child? How will she feel when you break all the promises you made to her?
Burns writes: "Without an agency's interference, (the child's parents) and (the people considering adoption) have a greater voice in in making key decisions, often resulting in a better "fit" for everyone involved."
"...knowing about the (prospective) adopting family prior to the placement can assist a (natural) mother in her grieving process by reassuring her that she has made the right choice."
It seems unlikely to me that Burns is truly concerned about everyone involved or about the grieving process of a mother who has lost her child to adoption.
I got this email today (April 9, 2004) from a friend who is very involved with the open adoption community:
"I'm grieving my good friend right now. Cindy was a member of my adoption group for a year and a half -- we were supposed to meet next month. The (people who adopted) her daughter broke promises and Cindy never recovered. She took her life yesterday. Her daughter will be three on the 19th."
"I'm trying to help the members of my group ...and myself grieve. We were all SO close. She also left behind two teen boys. Please keep them in your prayers."
"(The woman who adopted her daughter) wrote the sickening new adoption book "Fast Track Adoption" ...and may even appear on 20/20 talking about how to get a baby quick. Cindy found out about this book by accident and was devastated by it's contents and how she was left out and used."
Many people are unaware of this dark side of adoption. The adoption industry has found ways to thwart attempts by natural moms and adoptees to voice their concerns about unethical adoption practices. One of the most revolting of the tactics used to obtain babies is the promise of "open adoption", the promise of continued contact with their child, made only with the intent to lure in unsuspecting mothers who might have otherwise kept their child. Open adoption agreements are not legally binding as other child custody or visitation agreements are and this frequently has devastating consequences. Many a mother is grieving the loss of a child to adoption. This grieving is compounded when she has so obviously, blatantly been used as a baby-making machine and then tossed out like yesterday's garbage once her child is in possession of the adopters. In Cindy's case, not only she but her sons and probably other family members were expecting contact with their sister, granddaughter, niece as well.
This is for Cindy Jordan and for all other moms who have been so used. This is for Cindy's daughter, her sons, her mother and father, her whole family. I hope our churches will mention this from the pulpit and work to enact change. I hope our human rights organizations will take note and work to enact changes. I hope women's organizations will for once stand up for these women who have been so long marginalized in this way and work to prevent further abuse.
Not everyone benefits from adoption and it's time people knew about it and did something.
Those mothers and fathers who are making a decision whether to keep their child or surrender their child for adoption deserve legal protections which include real information about the emotional risks to themselves, their child and other family members. They deserve to be protected from slick advertising and sales pitches from those seeking to adopt independently, from the adoption industry and from adoption lawyers. They deserve to be protected from the pressure put on them to choose prospective adopters before their child is even born which makes it very hard for them to disappoint them later.
They deserve to be treated with the respect due a human being, with the respect due a parent who is trying to make the best decision possible for their child and their families.
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Ann Wilmer
National Coordinator
Green Ribbon Campaign for Open Records
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Adoptee born: 10-18-1952
in Waynesboro, PA has
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Hi Pip.Maybe I'd better not say anything right now, for fear of getting banned... Open adoption needs to have the same legalities as anything else permanent in our society...enforceable and binding. This so-called "author" needs to be horsewhipped and I wonder how the child will feel when she's old enough to read of "Mommy's" scam... I would think she'll grow up to HATE her. Ugh. Tammi
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It was last year I first heard of Cindy's story ...sorry can't remember exactly where on the forums so when I read the article the other day I hoped for an appropiate time to share. At the time I think someone mentioned lighting a candle and so many of us decided to do the same on the day specified. If we had all been together I've no doubt we would have seemed like a beacon of light.
Pip :wings:
This is the 1st time I am learning about Cindy. My heart hurts. I am an amom and we have an open adoption. I cannot even imagine being so dispicable! We love our daughter's birthmom! She has entursted us with her daughter to raise and I cannot fathom betraying that ENORMOUS level of trust! I feel, as a parent, I need to do an extra good job at raising this little girl because this young woman trusted us to be "Mommy and Daddy". I don't want to fail her. I want to make her proud. I want her to look at our daughter (our as in ours (DH and I) and her's...the collective OUR) and everyday be confident and secure in her decision...even happy with it. I agree, that wretched "author" should be horsewhipped...publically. How could she just LIE and hurt people like that? I agree that what she did will be harmful to the child she is raising. It is hard to call her a mother because mothers are suppose to act in selfless ways that enhance the lives of their children. We discuss the adoption and our daughter's birth mom in only respectful and loving terms...we are not ashamed of adoption and we love our daughter's birth mom...she deserves nothing less than our love and respect always. We also have pix and every email she has ever sent so my daughter can see and read and get to know her before they reunite. I don't want my daughter to feel she is meeting a stranger and vice versa. I think this is good for my daughter...to have a concrete connection to her original family. FOr the author of that book to undermine such a bond by lying to the birth mom and then ditching her once she had the baby is so hateful and cruel...and is not in the best interest of the child she adopted. Now she will have to one day have it explained to her that she cannot meet her birth mom...she is dead and part of the reason is because amom was a liar! I'm 100% positive that this child will never get the truth from her amom...once a liar, always a liar.
When you are agreeing to an open adoption BOTH parties should respect the agreed upon level of contact. Trust is soooo important within an adoption triad. Aparents must trust the birth mom and vice versa...and the child must be able to trust BOTH.