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I haven't posted here in awhile, but I'm desperate for some kind of answers so I thought I'd post my most recent tragedy and see if any of you could tell me what might be going on since I have no idea why my reunion just seemed to literally fall apart in less than a month after almost 3 years.
I'm an adoptee (36 yrs old) and I just had my birthday at the end of June. I'm one that has never really liked my b-day and it's a day filled with melanchly for me usually. I have never liked it but I manage through it every year. I have been in reunion with my b-mom for almost 3 yrs (3 yrs in November if it's not already over), and unlike me, she is not one that seems to like/want to confront issues whereas I am. My view is, "the only way out is through ..." and I'm willing to confront issues/pain to get there. Hers seems to be, "Forget/deny anything painful, pretend it's okay, and don't talk about or act in a way that might make anything meaningful or so a relationship might actually grow and get better". This is my perception from experience mind you. Actually, she told did tell me directly once when I mentioned something was really difficult emotionally for me to do, "Well then ... DON'T!!!" so read what you will from that one.
Anyway ... my b-mom doesn't like to drive, especially alone and especially on highways, but last November, when my aparent's disowned me because I finally told them about her, my b-mom started driving the 30 or so mins to my house ... ON the highway and ALONE. I was in heaven. She had come over about 4-6 times in that period. I have 3 young, small children so she also has grandchildren ... 2 yr old twin daughters and a 3 1/2 yr old son. She really seemed to love them .... all of us actually. She even came to my twins and son's b-day parties last year although for those she brought my 26 yr old half sister with her for support (even though she wasn't officially invited). My b-mom doesn't feel comfortable around my husband's family because they are very different from her, i.e. educated, middle-class, etc ... all the things she isn't but I never cared about ANY of that. I just LOVED her .. period. These were always big issues for her however, not me.
For 2 yrs in reunion, I have sacrificed my feelings for hers. I have conflicting, less than positive feelings like most adoptees in reunion and I also have my adoption-related issues. I have never denied that and I am working on my issues (thru counseling when needed) and I have always tried taking responsibility for myself. I know my bmom has had a really hard life and I empathize with that ... I would've given anything for her just to be happy, so I was trying to be there for her, help her, be supportive, because her family now is quite dysfuncational and I know she's never really had any of these things from other people. But she's very good at the martry role, so it has been quite the long road at times. It has often felt "all about her" and over the 2 yrs I sacrificed my feelings inside so that I didn't hurt her or help make her feel worse or more guilty than she already does, when this has happened, it has definitely triggered a silent response in me ... namely, "What about ME?!?!?! What about MY feelings?!?!?"
I played the "good adoptee daughter" for 2 years but it never got me anywhere it seemed except emotionally trampled on more and I already silently felt crappy enough. My adoptive experience was far from perfect (not even great) so yes ... I admit there was a void there to be filled and because we are in many ways a lot alike, I yearned for my bmom to fill it in some ways. I know she couldn't for the most part (that was up to me), but from hearing other bmom's talk, I thought the least she could give me was her time, effort and letting me know she truly cared about me and actually wanted me. I didn't want to "change her" (although I'm sure she THOUGHT I did) ... I only wanted what I saw as already there in her because she acts really hard all the time, but has told me several times inside she's really soft. And I've seen it from her so I know it's there to some degree and needed to feel it from her ... just for awhile until I could "grow up" with her emotionally ... I regressed like many adoptees and I just needed her support and attention for awhile until I could feel more adult-like.
Our reunion was really good at times and just kind of there at others. She has never really yelled at me or lashed out at me in anyway before and she often seems defensive and always on guard. With me though, it was different in many ways from her interactions with other people because she said she felt "really close" to me and I know she doesn't get close to anyone. Her idea of that however seems to be really different than mine.
I'm getting to the really bad part ... just needed to give a little history first ... bear with me ... :o
So in April, for the first time ever really, I started "acting out" a little. I gave up the "good role" and started being more real with her so I didn't always hide everything like I used to. I was never mean, abusive, or attacking (at least I didn't feel I ever did that ... our opinions often very greatly), and when I was being good for 2 years, I did the things I did out of genuine love and concern for her. The thing is that was my good, loving and accepting side. A part of me too I admit was trying to be accommodating so she wouldn't reject me again ... the forever people-pleaser.
On and off for about 3 months I was "different" in little ways here and there with her. Not always, but occasionally. They felt trivial for me, but maybe huge for her ... I don't know. Mother's Day I took her to her 1st MLB game and I just treated her normally like I would anyone else. A part of me was sick of being so nice to her all the time with little to nothing in return so I stopped treating her "special" anymore which I did for 2 years. I found out a few weeks later in a phone conversation that she thought my house was "so cold" but after much questioning, I found out it was actually ME she thought was being cold ... I was acting different. Yes ... I stopped rolling out the red carpet for her because I was sick of doing all the work and making most of the effort. It was very unbalanced and I felt taken for granted so I began pulling back emotionally to balance it out more. Evidently she noticed but never questioned me at the time about it.
In early June, I met her at her work place after her shift, and ended up crying in front of her for the 1st time. We talked for 2 hours and many of the feelings I'd kept in for two years (many of them very positive although pretty emotional for a bmom to hear I'm sure) finally came flooding out. She seemed very emotional too (1st time it's ever happened quite like this) and it was wonderful. She was draped all over me, hugging me, leaning into me during conversation, etc. It was like she was a completely different person, but it was wonderful ... and something we definitely needed in our relationship. Until then, it often felt emotionally dead. She shyed away from most meaningful or heartfelt conversation unless I brought it up and then it was like I'd just dropped a bomb on her or something when I did it, but I only did it because I really needed to know how she felt about me and adoption-related or feeling-oriented comments seemed like the only way to get her to go there ... I was desperate. She doesn't understand (nor have the desire to) anything adoption-related, she doesn't and won't read and seems unwilling to try to understand search/reunion or me better for our relationship to be better. Much of this is normal for reunion, but I know she thinks it's just me. It's not.
We talked for two hours that day after work. I'd written a very touching poem which I read at the Bmom Ceremony I attended in May at the Network where I volunteer. I let her read it and she was very moved by it. When I went to leave, she said to me on her own with some excitement in her voice, "The next time I come over I'm going to hold you the entire time I'm there and I'm not going to let you go!" I almost fell over. Complete shock! But my heart grew wings because I've dreamed of that for months and could never tell her. Too humiliating.
We talked on the phone 2-3 times after that and she sounded like she was still drifting on clouds. My b-day approached and the weekend before it, she was off from work and I asked what she was doing the rest of it. She told me nothing so I invited her over. She was back in her depression place (she has been depressed most of the time I've known her, has a bad marriage, etc) so that didn't help. She told me she didn't just want to come over and sit around ... (normally that's ALL she wants to do) so I said we could go do something, i.e. zoo, shopping, take kids to park, etc) She had an excuse for EVERYTHING as if she were avoiding coming over like the plague. Yes ... the hug was still on my mind, but if was uncomfortable or something, she could've just told me that and we would've worked thru it. She didn't.
Instead, she seemed to throw out a consolation prize (but the hug was never even mentioned) to take me out to dinner ... for my birthday. She doesn't really celebrate birthdays and I know doesn't get why mine with her is a big deal. It just helps to have her there ... but she doesn't understand that. I was hurt she wouldn't even make the effort to come see me on my b-day weekend ... I would've thought after 33 years of waiting for me to come back to her that she would WANT to be with me on my b-day ... if not in some way, need to. I know it's HUGE for ME! And on top of that, it felt like she was simply avoiding coming over (because of the hug thing????) but kept throwing out all these excuses to me instead of just being honest. Adding to it was that I had to go out to meet her and it was my birthday. That one time it just seemed natural for her to come to me ... other bmom's I've talked to have agreed with me, so I didn't feel like I was being unreasonable.
I went begrudgingly silently miffed because I resented having to make the effort when it should've been hers that time. I was still nice ... and always civil but I admit I didn't talk nearly as much. That apparently bothered her too but she didn't say anything again. She admitted to me like it was funny that she didn't even comb her hair ... I was somewhat annoyed by that because I still made the effort to look nice for her. After an hour at the restaurant, we went to the Mall to walk around, then talked outside by our cars for half an hour before leaving. She always hugs be before we part company (although she doesn't do it with her kept kids ... my half brother/sister and admitted when I asked if she's not a "huggie person" like she told me she wasn't, she said, "I don't know ... mabe it helps me fill that void inside me ... I don't hug my own kids ..isn't that sad?). This hug felt more limp than normal, but I wasn't really into it either because I was still hurt.
4 days later, I drove out to see her again at her work (after) on my b-day. She looked horrid. Like it was all she could do to even keep breathing. No makeup, hair uncombed, dragging. I didn't talk all that much that day either but I was definitely better that day than the previous weekend. Evidently though she thought I acted really different, unbeknownst to me at the time. We talked for only 1 half hour or something and before I left she said, "I'd invite you over but I have to go pay bills ..." That felt like a hint somehow. She also didn't have the "Mom" necklace I'd given her last Feb for her b-day which she never took off before (I have the other part ... "Daughter" which I never took off either). That was a slap in the face.
A week and 2 days went by and I finally called her. I got the machine so I left a message. 4 days went by and no phone call. So I called her again and she answered. I made light it up joking about her never calling me back. Her very casual and almost cold response half jokingly was, "No ... I didn't ..." then that little casual laugh of hers. I wanted to crawl under a table ... I felt like a complete fool. We ended up talking for over an hour and she got right to it pretty much in the 1st 2 mins. Her tone was so cavalier ... so casual, so "tough crap" feeling ... so "I don't care anymore and I don't want you anymore feeling" that I had to hold back tears. I have NEVER said anything cruel to her and although I've had painful feelings inside, I've never told her in anyway I regretted finding her, nor would I because that's beyond my comprehension, although if said by anyone I could understand more adoptees saying it.
She seemed to be throwing everything except the kitchen sink at me and I was just in shock. She's NEVER been that way with me before and I had no idea where it had all come from ... honestly I truly didn't. I was completely blindsided. She made it sound like she hadn't called me back because I was "acting funny" that day I came to see her at work ... like there was something I wanted to tell her, but then I never said anything. There honestly wasn't anything but she seemed to think there was. She accused me of never coming out to HER house (but for 2 years that's all I did because she would never come to see us) and that I didn't seem to want anything to do with my brother/sister (who I don't feel really have any interest in getting to know me and don't care that I don't). She said I never asked about them, talked about them, etc but that's not true and she knows it. I have asked about them often in 2 1/2 years, specifically my half sister who lives with her. I even just recently asked my bmom for her new e-mail address several times but she never did end up giving it to me although she told me before she'd find it. She said more than once I "acted funny" but couldn't explain at all what that meant to me so I could understand it. She told me, "I don't know Annmarie ... I don't know what's going on with you ..." (but she doesn't appear to want to know either because a lot of it is adoption/reunion related but when I talk at all about that, I get accused of "harping on the same issues" and "Why can't I just let that go?")
She told me, "I don't know how you expect to be a family if you don't want to seem to have anything to do with the rest of them ..." (my jaw dropped to the floor because I've never heard anything about this until recently and it's not smething I've ever wanted nor expected ... that appears to be HER dream, not mine). I already have a younger sister who I grew up with and we are close and I am loyal to her. Nothing against me half sister, but we are 10 yrs apart, have nothing in common, and the feelings for her just aren't there for her. I never wanted anything but med info when I searched, but after getting to know my bmom something changed and a part of me felt like maybe my bmom (because of the way she was back then) wanted (and could truly be) the "mom I never really had" ... so I pursued it when I normally wouldn't have.
My bmom went on to say, almost casually and non-emotionally, " "I don't know ... it's just sometimes I just wish maybe you never ... you'd be better off if you'd never found me ..." I felt like the lights went out. Suddenly, I felt numb ... like she'd just punched me in the stomach. I felt like a part of me died all over again. She's said something similar to me in the past several times, but it's always been from the standpoint that SHE didn't seem to feel worthy of me ... that maybe I was better off w/o her ... she has always said in the past, "I bet you wish you never would've found me, huh?" It's ALWAYS been that before. But this time it was really different. She started to say SHE wished I'd never have found her ... which felt like SHE didn't want ME anymore and that changed everything for me. It was like being rejected all over again even though I know the 1st time it wasn't her fault because it was her mother's decision to give me up, not hers. But this one felt very much like a choice for her ... I can't tell you how much that comment hurt. But coupled with everything else, I just felt like a complete waste of her time.
(cont ... part 2)
I was really hurt by her previous comment and a little defensively asked her, "So what are you saying?" She said something back and I replied, "No .. just go ahead and say what you were originally going to say before ... because that's not what you started out saying ... "I wish" versus maybe it would've been better if you never would've found me" means two very different things. She told me "No ... that's what I was going to say ..." meaning the way she finished it, but not the way she started it. But for me, the damage already felt like it was done. Then WHY start saying it that way then and not just say that maybe I was better off not knowing her like she'd always said it in the past?! I finally said, "So what you're really saying is YOU'RE sorry I ever found YOU ...???" Right away she said, "No ... that was the happiest day of my life ... I've never been sorry for that ...." so I didn't know what side of me was up anymore, what to believe ... I was dumbfounded and completely confused.
I have never regretted finding her ... at times I admit I've regretted trying to have a relationship with her because it's mostly felt like a one-way street with me giving everything and keeping the relationship afloat and her giving little to nothing, except phone calls here and there every week. And it's been very painful in many ways having to process thru all these feelings that have cropped up in me since reunion, but I have never put those on her. I've been really good to her for the last 2 1/2 years treating her in many ways very special ... like a queen in many ways. I bought her a Mother's Ring last year on Mother's Day. I've given and sent her flowers for special occasions. I've told her she's important in mine and my family's life. I've accepted her and all her issues/problems and tried to simply be a loving, supportive friend to her ... as well as the "good daughter" she never really had. I've let her take on that "mom" roll she seemed to want in many ways, but she's completely dropped the ball in many ways. She seemed to want the title and the feelings that went with it but with no effort on her part. After awhile I started to resent it secretly. The list goes on and on and on ....
Finally ... I felt burned out like nothing I ever said/did mattered anyway, so I stopped being so accommodating, and pulled away a little so that maybe she would pick up the slack if she TRULY wanted/needed to see me and have me in her life. She didn't. At least not the way I was able to notice it or really feel it. When I was treating her really well, I often felt like I got little feedback/reaction in return, yet when I treated her just like I would anyone else (nicely, but not special and not overwhelming like I sometimes felt I used to, whether that was true for her or not), then I get accused of "acting funny" and "not being me". I felt like I was ****ed if I did and ****ed if I didn't. I couldn't win.
Then she threw out things about my parent's (who she knows a lot about and knows the history, details behind much of it, she's read their often cruel and abusive past e-mails, heard from some of my friends and husband directly, etc so she KNOWS it's not just my interpretation of them) which really made me feel unwanted, i.e. "I just feel bad ..." "I just think maybe you should let them back into your life" (THEY gave ME the ultimatum and disowned me and my family ... not the other way around and she knows this), "They raised you ... I didn't" (which came across very nonchalantly as if she felt no feelings on the matter and could've cared less that they raised me because she gave me to them), and "Why won't you let them see the kids?" which again sounded a lot like her husband talking in the past (and he knows nothing about my relationship but he spouts off about things he knows nothing about). It truly sounded like something major had happened out of the blue but I have no idea what, nor did she ever tell me she was just under a lot of stress and none of this really had anything to do with me.
I kept asking her what any of this had to do with NOW ... because it was like she suddenly had decided never to make any effort to see me or my family again (she wasn't coming over to see us anymore), and she used to before and suddenly now wasn't. She said I could come out to see her (much harder for me to do than her too with a young family -- she just has herself and occasionally her 7 yr old grandson who lives with her she has to babysit (which she resents but my half sister uses her to babysit and takes advantage of it). She told me I'm welcome anytime and why can't I come visit her? That I never come out there (which isn't true because I used to go all the time .. she would never come here until last November to see me). I told her I could but that was just me being accommodating all over again. Her response was, "And what's wrong with that?" I couldn't believe her nonchalance about it seeming like nothing! I got defensive, "Because it's all ONE-SIDED!!" She said nothing.
She had mentioned my poem being published in the Adoption Network Newsletter which she got by default because of a donation to them last year and she read it again. She said it was really nice what I wrote. I commented it wasn't like she hadn't already read it before. She agreed, but then seemed to turn a 180 and got all over me because they (accidentally, because of a database error) ended up sending her 3 copies of the Adoption Newsletter and asked why they have to keep reminding her? That she never forget ... she never WOULD forget ... and that she knew what she'd done. I was floored! WHERE in the heck did THAT come from?!?! I told her that wasn't the intention, why she got it at all, that everyone that gave donations got them, and the three copies was an innocent mistake. She seemed to feel kind of foolish after that only saying, "Mmmm ..."
She told me earlier she didn't call me back before because that day on my birthday when I came to see her I just "acted funny" ... like I had something to say to her, but then just stood there and didn't really talk (not true ... her perception, because although I was different, I wasn't THAT quiet .. no more than normal in some of our other past conversations). The way she said it was like I was just some retard or something ... like I'm abnormal. That didn't help me either .. it only further pushed me away emotionally. I got defensive telling her, "I've NEVER really liked my birthday ... I told you that before ... so I was a little quiet, so what!?!?" She acted like I was making a mountain out of a molehill, "Why?! ... a birthday's a birthday ..." then did an almost arrogant "Uh ..." like she thought I was just being a complete moron. She didn't get it nor chooses to try but I was being punished for it. I told her, "Not for adoptees birthday's aren't ....! It's not the same for us ..." feeling completely misunderstood and attacked.
Then she lashed out at me, "There you GO again! .... Why does that always have to be brought up? Why can't you just let that go?!" Now I was mad. "I HAVE! ..." She yelled at me, "No, you haven't!" I can't even explain where I was going in my head with all of this, but I felt overwhelmed at how misunderstood and unwanted I suddenly felt ... my feelings obviously meant nothing to her ... I was hurting too but it was still always about her. I was devastated. Obviously, that Sunday at her work in early June (that emotional breakthru we had which was amazing) meant nothing to her because now it was like it had never happened. WHERE did all those understanding, empathic, emotionally soft feelings go?!?!?!
When it got more mellow she mentioned she'd done Jell-O shots at the pig roast she'd gone to (but she doesn't drink and seems annoyed by why people think it's so great to do because she grew up in an alcoholic home with her step father and brother). I almost fell over. I asked why since she doens't drink. Her reply was, "I don't know ... I just felt like I needed to ..." A light went on in my head. SOMETHING was definitely going on. I've been told she has never dealt with her issues of losing me, but this was a really bad way for her sadness for come out ... first getting drunk at a party which she never does then lashing out at me days later when I called her. A part of me wondered if someone in her family was giving her a hard time about me for some reason because I suddenly felt like in a very indirect way I was being disowned or something, despite her attempts to get me to start going over there.
The end of our conversation seemed more civil ... she seemed to mellow more by then but by now I was devastated and angry. She has NEVER talked to or been this way with me before ... I needed time to process it all and cool off. I'd walked into a lion's den and now I'm just supposed to be all welcoming to her?!!!?!? Impossible after that! Some things you just can't take back and she said several. Not to mention this all appeared out of literally nowhere. She got another call and told me to hang on so I did and the phone went dead. I felt like she'd hung up on me so I called back. She answered and I said hurt, "You hung up on me ...." half joking. She said she didn't ... that the phone battery went dead because everyone leaves it off the hook all day! She sounded irritated at that. I told her I'd let her go before it died again. She told me she'd call me on Friday (10 days ago) and let me know how she did on her test to try to get into Ford (she needs to get out of the nursing home because it's driving her crazy there). I was shocked at that point after all this she would even think I would care to know. She told me kind of shyly to wish her luck and say a prayer for her (that she got in). I was still reeling from what just happened so I very casually said, "Good luck ..." flatly. She told me she loved me, I said I love you too flatly and we hung up. I haven't heard from her since.
A part of me feels like I've had enough because I've been beat up emotionally for 2 years trying to get her to let me know she truly wants me and her seeming to withhold everything she can whenever possible. It's like pulling teeth. So I suddenly start letting a little of my irritation show here and there for a couple months and I get the crap beat out of me on the phone even though I had no intentions of having anything but an average conversation. I definitely wasn't trying to start anything.
But the other side of me is devastated and still angry. I feel like she never really gave me a real chance to defend myself ... everything she said I was able to refute so it was obvious something wierd is going on but she won't tell me the truth. Everyone else that's heard the conversation has told me something's going on. My counselor told me it had nothing to do with me but she was dumping on me and I shouldn't let her do it anymore. She'd playing the martyr and feeling sorry for herself and needs to cut it out and grow up. It all sounds logical, but I'm so disoriented from that conversation I'm lost. I have NO IDEA what happened and it's driving me crazy feeling like our reunion just ended forever on a complete misunderstanding! All because she thought things that I never truly felt or thought at all!!!! But we couldn't just sit down and have a rational, adult-like conversation about it.
Several times in the conversation on the phone, she'd say, "Well you know I don't like to drive ..." or "I don't want to (such and such)" or whatever and I got fed up finally saying, "You sound just like a little kid! Miles (my son) does that .... "I don't want to ... I don't like it ..." and he's THREE! You sound just like a little kid!" She didn't hesitate, "Well maybe I AM!!!!!" I was taken aback, but told her, "Well then we have a problem, because that's often how I feel! (but only with her).
A bmom friend of mine told me she never grew up ... that she sounded stuck at 14/15 when she got pregnant and lost me. I've always known deep inside lay that scared, lonely, sad, neglected and wounded little girl although she usually denies that part of her as significant. To me it's huge ... she just doesn't realize how much that little girl in her has control. I see and feel it because I know mine does in many ways too but I'm at least aware of it. I don't know what to do with any of this, but because of the way she is (one hurt/disappointment, etc and she never does something again), I don't expect her to ever call me again, even though she said (in her not coming over anymore) we could keep in contact over the phone and she would call me. I don't know if she's thinking I don't want to have anything to do with her anymore or what, which is maybe why she didn't call, but after that last call and the way it felt for me, I just feel so unwanted and so unimportant to her that there's no way I could ever call her again. She already handed me the gun to shoot myself in the head with once ... I'd be a complete idiot to ever do it again. :grr: So now it just feels like it's over. All of this just because of a few rough spots around my birthday?!?!?!? It almost felt like she was silently keeping score or something and I just found out. Can anyone please tell me what just happened, why and what if anything I might be able to do about it? I really need to know why this happened and I'm at a complete loss.
She told me she loves me ... that I'm her daughter and she'll always love me ... but how can she even say that and genuinely feel it after she just threw all that at me like it was nothing? I was devastated by it and I'm sure she doesn't even know it or would understand why if she did. Help!
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hmmm......
all i can say is i feel sry your going through all this......
personally i would NEVER talk that way to my daughter nor would i treat her badly.....
i do not fall under your situation .....sry
everyones situation is different and not all birthmoms would be like me .....:grouphug:
im a loving caring person ......unfortunately your situation isnt the best .......
from my own adoption experience with adoptive parents.......you have to make the best out of what you have .......
take the good from her and try to not dwell upon the bad ......
hope your relationship changes over time and lots of patience......:)
I too am sory that you are going through this. I can't excuse her behavior. That being said I never considered that an adopted child would feel bad on his or her birthday until reading about it on the adoptee forum. It makes sence though.
I only knew that it was always the hardest day of the year for me, a birthmother. Perhaps that explains her drinking- but why now when the two of you could be together? Even though my daughter has pulled away from me her birthdays are easier now. I can send a card and picture her in my mind dressed up & going out to eat with her husband. I also know what her mom cooked specially for her birthday when she was a kid.
If you are not completely fed up maybe you could have a therapy session together with your mom and discuss it. That's the only helpful thing I can think of.
Wow, there are so many layers/issues here. I think it might be helpful for you to figure out exactly what you are looking for in this relationship, communicate this to your birthmom and figure out together if those expectations will be met. It just seems to me that you are at two very different places with what your expectations of this relationship is/should be.
Perhaps she is getting pressure from outside your reunion ( her kids maybe?) it sounds like you two are in different places rights now, however the things she said to you have got to hurt you to the core, specially when you had such high expectations, maybe she is feeling the pressure of those high expectations, and does not know how to deal with them. Still I am sad for you and this hurtful blow you have taken. I also find it sad that you a parents diswoned you, why did they do that?
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ok, i've got to respond and just say you are in my prayers!
Your situation sounds alot like my own as an adult (open) adoptee (& foster child till age 8) except that I went through my entire adolecent and young adult life going through situations like this with my Bmother, trying and hoping that I (key word here: I) could forge some kind of mother/daughter bond. Through the years she hardly helped out with her alcolohism, depression, moodiness with anger issues I kept the flame burning you could say. Only to, eventually as I continued to mature and move forward in my life, finally let out my true feelings and thoughts on her way of treating me and my being dumped on in the past years. I attempted to do this in a loving caring way from my heart and never insulting her or being rude or loud and she didn't take it well, refusing to ever seek professional help she blew up and began to get physical with me in one of our situations...since then I've done a couple more 'go-rounds' trying to forge some kind of friendship with her only to have her personality disorders get in the way. It's been 2.5 years since her last outbreak at me and I've had no contact since, these have been the most peaceful and relaxing years of my life. Yes, I do feel some desire to have contact with her (I envision your picture of the person banging her head against the wall here when i just said that) but I have accepted that because our bond never was forged in my younger years and because of her mental state that now we either have to be able to just be friends or nothing at all. There is nothing between us in common that would bring us to any kind of friendship so in my heart she will always be my bmother but she has never been my mother and because of all that's happened now I can not even consider her my friend. Sadly, not until these last few years of my life through maturity and some spiritual growth have I realized how much my Amother truly is my true mother. Because I tried to hold on to my Bmother all my life I never gave my Amother her necessary place until now. Though it seems hard to believe, I don't have any hard feelings toward my Bmom or hold any grudges, I am just seeing things as they are and allowing myself to move on with my life and not be controlled by emotions and feelings. She did have many issues that were never dealt with regarding her decision not to raise me, as well as other former issues in her life so I have always seen her as mentioned above about your bmother, that she was unable to grow up and mature for herself.
Anyways, I've done wrote a book here just thought it was too close to home not to reply!
Interestingly, my husband and I have accepted a foster child and now are looking at possibly adopting her if that opportunity arises. It's a new and eventful road we're on and I have got to pray everyday for God to give me the peace I need to carry on my place in this world.
Well lemme close this for now!
take care!!
I note that the orginal poster bwpolo1992 has not posted since July so perhaps this reply will go unnoticed.
I read the long post with an open mind, not trying to place fault with either party. What was said, rather than what was assumed or impressions taken from acts or conversations. I think both parties went into the reunion hoping to find they would be "healed" by the bond.
The birthmother has obviously had a hard life's journey
She was back in her depression place (she has been depressed most of the time I've known her, has a bad marriage, etc) so that didn't help
.....and the child in bwpolo1992 had not been nurtured as an adult as an important member of her life-family........
(THEY gave ME the ultimatum and disowned me and my family
When both worlds collided, hurtful things were said, and confidence in this new found reltionship went sideways, especially for bwpolo1992 who felt she was putting all her energy into committing to her birthmother and wasn't seeing any thanks or benefit in return.
Its sad. Sad that two people who have a longing to be part of each other's lives have come to this crossroads, and I wonder what would have happened if both had thought about what they wanted from the relationship and worked out their boundaries before actually meeting.
The fact that the birthmom found the courage to make the trip to her birthdaughter shows how much it meant to her and bwpolo1992 despair at the current situation is testimony to how much she cares. But just caring is not enough.
I started "acting out" a little. I gave up the "good role" and started being more real with her so I didn't always hide everything like I used to.
Honesty is so important - to honestly represent yourself and to be compassionate, and accepting of each other's family and daily life. And remember......there was a life before reunion......and it has to be inclusive in the reunion.
My b-mom doesn't feel comfortable around my husband's family because they are very different from her, i.e. educated, middle-class, etc ... all the things she isn't but I never cared about ANY of that. I just LOVED her .. period. These were always big issues for her however, not me.
and......
.......her 7 yr old grandson who lives with her she has to babysit (which she resents but my half sister uses her to babysit and takes advantage of it)
This sounds like both are jealous of the other family members.
IThere's always a possibility that you can reopen this reunion - both have said they love each other - both were committed to the togetherness, but both failed to accept that a lifetime of influences and incidents have made them what they are. Neither can change the other - they cn only work on understanding where the other is coming from - make no demands on each other, and take the relationship one day at a time instead of going for the ultimate dream.
If you read this bwpolo1992, I wish you a brighter future - and hope you have reconciled your hurt and found some peace. Remember the good times (and there appears to be many)
Regards
Ann
[FONT=Comic Sans MS]This sounds like a terribly hard thing to be going through. Please try to remain strong. I think that there are so many emotions surrounding a reunion. I have been in reunion with my son for over a year now and I am just now realizing that he does have issues with me about giving him up. This all came up last weekend when his wife and I had a falling out. I have always thought he was pretty much ok with the situation, but I don't think he is. I didn't mean to get going on my story, but was just trying to say that there is so much stuff that is stashed away in both parties hearts in a reunion. I really think that the child would have more issues that the birth parent. It sounds like you are dealing with this very well. Maybe you could just try to keep a distance for a bit and maybe she would start feeling differently. It also sounds like she may be overloaded with crap in her life right now and that it could be playing into the situation with you. I wish you the best of luck. Reunion isn't as easy as I thought it would be. It seemed great in the beginning, but like I said those pent up emotions, held back over the years can really make things hard. Good luck and God bless..[/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Sally[/FONT]
I read your post and was touched by it. You see, my daughter and I have the exact opposite problem.
I spent many years attempting to drink myself to death on her birthday. She seems to have no problem with it.
I am giving and talkative and the world is about her...never me. If I have a bad day, she is all "And?" Like what I feel is unimportant.
The worst part is that we both feel stuck in time. It is one of the things she actually talked to me about - but not directly - she was upset about friends and life and that she always felt that she was standing still. Just like me. My side of the conversation went unheard...as if I was not there except to hear her.
This appears to be normal for her. I sent her a handmade afghan. I made it in her favorite color for her birthday...worked day and night to make sure she got it on time....it was late, not my fault postal error. For my birthday, she did not call - not for three days...then it was about her and her husband...not to say happy birthday.
I have given up trying to be mom - at times I act like a sad child, I still am in many ways trapped in the time of her birth and the three years of hell fighting to keep her.
I want to work through our adoption crap - she acts as if its over and no big deal - but when she is angry she beats me with it.
All I can tell you is that a large number of young women had babies and then stayed babies because their hearts were torn out when their children were taken. I don't excuse her behavior, but I say this, I spend a great deal of time forgiving my daughter....it may be the only way I can live with me.
You do what you feel is right. But you are saying you can't live without her, so you might have to drag her into your world to show her love.
Just my thoughts.
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Hi there,
I was hoping to receive both view points as I am new to posting in general. BMoms and adoptees alike I need your advice.
Six weeks ago I received the best news ever, my bdaughter was looking for me, after about 2 weeks we finally emailed one another and then started talking on the phone everyday, wow what an amazing experience for us both. I have always loved her, and love her even more now that I am getting to know her.
Last week her amom called me (we sent a couple of emails back and forth). Her amom was also kind enough to send me some pictures of her when she was growing up (she is almost 23 now). So far so good, until the phone call from her amom. She seemed to be a nice lady at first, until she unraveled my daughters life into one conversation, telling me how she hated school, was diagnosed with ADHD, then took her to counseling 10-12 yo, in addition to her telling me of her addictive personality, her amom didn't want me to get hurt, that is what I was told. Plus other things, which my daughter did tell me some, and of course I was listening had no right to judge my girl, but her amom dumped a huge load on me. After that call, I was so confused and scared, but tried to calm down and recollect myself.
Well that was last Thursday, and Saturday I broke down a little on the phone w/my daughter, didn't tell her of the conversation, but asked when she is in town for a visit next month (we live in diff. states), can I have a little alone time with her first, maybe we should postpone this visit, because I 1,000 percent just wanted her and I to bond without other family members around. I had this bad feeling, I was going to have her thrown in my face by her afamily, and say oh so sorry we are busy, can you come back later? That's my hugest fear. I won't get to spend anytime with her
Since the conversation, my daughter is real short w/me (it did start a little bit, about a week before, but more so now). I ask if she is ok, she tells me yes, I ask if we are ok and she says yes. Then she says she has to leave will call back, but never does. So I call and no answer always voicemail.
I am really feeling like dirt, and my heart is bleeding again the same feeling like when I decided to give her up for adoption. Only more now, since I am a little older and wiser. I can't work, sleep or eat, haven't done so in 3 days.
We both need to heal, am I wrong on thinking this? Can I get any feedback on how to have my daughter open up to me a bit more opposed to being cold all of the sudden? I really don't want to loose her again, this time I really feel like it stops, my heart will die due to the broken pieces again.
Thanks for reading this!!!
hey Ivnlfe ....this is a sx week reunion - you have known each other for a couple of weeks - you have already had several contacts with the amom and you have arranged a visit in August ...............whew....??.....you are moving really fast and remembering what my reunion was like, I doubt either of you can make a totally unemotional decision at the moment. My suggestion would be to slow down and take this on small step at a time. At the moment you are probably in "information overload" and birthdaughter not clear on exactly what she is involved in.
Best Advice - Read Adoption Reunion Survival Guide !!! It will allow you to see that all the emotions that are flying around at the moment is a common phenomonen. For both adoptees and birthfamily. AND.... Remember slow is good. It gives all the parties time to catch their breathe and decide exactly what they want out of this new relationship.
Be kind to yourself and allow yourself time to heal so when daughter open's up to you, you are not carrying your own loss and hurt into the relationship. And, in spite of what amother tells you, I would suggest you go into this reunion with an open mind, a positive attitude and always assuring your daughter that you are looking for a friendship that lasts a lifetime. (That stops the confusion of trying to work out how you integrate another mother into her life)
Keep reading the forums and keep posting. This is a fantastic support system and many will share good advice - all based on their own experiences.
Ann
lvnlfe,
Not to worry about the bumps in the road. One thing I have learned is that no matter what goes on with Aparents, your relationship is yours and your child's, not theirs. I thought my daughter's amom wanted her to know me - she lied to the intermediary - and then she screamed at me over the phone :hissy: and acted as if I was trying to steal HER baby! Right!
Sometimes it is hard for the aparents, especially if they had a hard time with the child. I don't disrespect them with this, raising a child is very difficult. But don't stress on the things her amom told you. Their relationship is not yours.
Also, my daughter often tells me she will call back or talk to me later and does not do it. She is still after 6 years having trouble accepting that I love her with all her flaws, guilts and anger. We have never had a face to face and it has been a very bumpy road. The road is getting smoother though.
Hang in there!
Want to thank you for mentioning it has been 6 years in reunion and still no face to face. DD found me last Jan and will still not even allow phone contact. I don't know her last name or where she is-only where she was. Stress is making me really sick but will keep looking to you guys(and God,of course) for strength.Thanks for sharing.
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DD found me last Jan and will still not even allow phone contact. I don't know her last name or where she is-only where she was.
I hope and pray that in the future you will get more contact..
You have the rest of your lives to sort this.. do not give up.. is my suggestion..
Jackie