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I've read, I've studied, I've talked and I've listened. I've worked on my "stuff" so much it seems as though my life has consisted solely of re-living and purging past emotions. I've been dutiful about it -- perhaps even obsessed.
I want to move ahead, and feel ready to do so. I've even been looking for anything I may have missed, so that I can deal with it. I want no stones unturned. I want to explore and come to grips with whatever I need to. Frankly, I'm tired of living for the past. I want to live in the present and look forward to a future with my son "R" (reunited Jan '07) and our entire family.
I even extended the great purge and began going through boxes and boxes of old paperwork and such (I've been the biggest pack rat ever)... some of them were mine and some of them I received when my mother passed away over a decade ago. In one of my mom's boxes there were cards and letters, and among them was a card I sent to her from the private home I stayed at when I was pregnant with "R".
Recently, DH and I drove to that city, looking for the house. I thought it might provide me with an emotional release of some sort. Well, the rural home I stayed at has been razed and now houses a small development of duplexes, with a freeway overpass a block away. It wasn't like what I thought it would be, but I'm glad we went. I didn't feel any emotional release, but there is a piece of me that is glad the home no longer exists.
Now I'm wondering about visiting the hospital where "R" was born. The children I raised seemed to be interested in things like where they were born, where we used to live, and the like. That hospital still stands, but a new hospital was built across the street about 10 years ago and the old one is used as a clinic. I mentioned this to "R" and asked if he wanted to take a field trip when he comes out next week. I admitted that perhaps I was wanting to go there so I could leave *with him* this time. He said he was willing to do that, especially if it helped me to have some closure, but I'm having second thoughts now.
Have any of you done this before? Did your son or daughter accompany you? How did it go, and was it worth it?
How far do we dig into the past until we reach the stopping point? I'd like to think that the stopping point is somewhere before I dig all the way to China...
Thanks for your responses...
Love,
Susan
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I am so happy for you.. I logged on this morning and was hoping you had gotten a reply.
This is the first thread with your news so am going to reply here..
bfuddled wrote
OK..back to BDs note. She has clearly said that she is nervous and somewhat 'afraid' to go too quickly, which is what I think we all want to do with initial replys...RIGHT?
After about a half a year after reuniting with bson I went back and re-read his emails..
I realized I missed a lot.. I think that above is key..
See her in her map of the world is my suggestion.. and act accordingly..
So, now I am hoping to do the right thing and take her lead....soooooooooo....what is too much? Really. She has asked me about myself, past and present (I can fill in some blanks but not sure how detailed I should get).....She wants to know about ME...geesh...I never wrote much about myself anywhere so this will be a lengthy reply and I fear too much.
I say stay out of the heavy stuff.. the emotional stuff.. (<just suggestions and I may be wrong so take what you want etc)
Tell her the wonderful things about you.. Tell her where you soar.. Tell her about your love of dogs et all..
Tell her what you want to know about you.. Say if you were getting to know a perfect stranger how would you act.. if you wanted to attract this perfect stranger into your world..
Tell her about the joy of you..
MY ISSUE HERE IS...since this is such a raw subject with her...now, I want to be careful not to say the wrong things...do I express my sympathy (yes of course I do)...but honestly I cant do much more than that. I didnt know her Mom, but can empathize with her loss. Understand?
You got all the time in the world to get to know this woman..
You will know when to speak of the deep stuff.. if.. you keep watching her.. sensing here..
Get out of the way of yourself.. maybe..
I read that somewhere.. get out of your own way.. in this..
Lots of time to sort all the emotions involved.. Such wonderful deep emotions..
She has also asked me for some photos and some family info...altho she has not mentioned in either of her two notes anything about my firstborn, her birthbrother who is 21 months older than she is...She knows I had a son when she was born since it was part of the Non ID that CC forwarded to her when the search was initiated...I certainly feel awkward in the simple fact that I was able to 'KEEP' him and had to surrender her for adoption....that in itself would say that he was more important to me (he was then, and still is actually)...have to be honest here..(no, I wont say that in my letter back to her)....
Again you got all the time in the world to talk about this.. Maybe wait till she wants this information.. till she asks directly..
I did not back away tho when direct questions where asked of me.. On that first phone call my bson asked me if I held him in the hospital.. and I had to tell him it was not allowed back then.. or at that hospital.
It killed the conversation that’s for sure..
Well it did not kill it.. me not knowing who his father is is what really got it into a fifth gear.. or heck off the rails..
But.. I guess my advice would be to not lie.. but wait till she asks..
I cant help but wonder if she knows he is such a BIG PART of my life...hell, he IS my life...his two children are my only REASON for life at this point in time so how can I not mention them......but I cant tell her that.
This is about your reunion with your birthdaughter.. Getting to know her..
Guilt is negative.. I urge you to stay away from the negative..
She may help you in the long run to sort your feelings around this incredibly difficult time of your life.. stay in the honesty.. You are a person of the first order.. keep telling yourself that..
You did the very best you could..
I have sorted thru massive amounts of pictures to share with her, I luv taking photos...but guess what...most of them if not all really are my grandkids (either alone or with me)...or my DOGS who are the other half of my life now.
I found photos of my parents.. and scanned them on the computer.. and then printed them up..
I scanned all the non identifying info that I got from the agency..
I scanned pictures of me growing up.. and when I was the age I relinquished..
I had an old newsletter of a place I worked with a photo of me.. and I scanned that..
And of my sister and her son (they are the same age and are very similar and have met) and her grandbabies..
I scanned photos of my second and third born.. and printed them up..
And what is wrong with showing a picture of the grandbabies.. that is a happy thing..
She is 42 I bet she is mature enough to see that you giving her up was and is something that goes very deep and must be painful for you..
I dont know her....sooooooooooooooooooooo.....how do we get to that point. I have to stop myself when my mind starts to wander, and remember...42 years have gone by with us never meeting. That is going to take some time to fill in the gaps, right? Also...she has taken the step to supply me with her full name now, and total contact information (home address and email, not phone $ yet ,but ya know....I myself am not ready to chat on the phone - I think it would be very awkward - not to mention probably the longest phone call ever in history ! !
You have all the time you need to get to know her.. This is an amazing wonderful time.. savor it..
I have my memories now.. and I love every one of them..
I took a train across the country to meet my bson..
Chicago to Seattle..
I left him in Florida and he was clear across the country..
Jackie
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bfuddled
[FONT=Comic Sans MS]:loveyou: [/FONT]Hi all - I don't know what thread to post this info to, I am trying to SHOUT OUT my news to everyone who was so kind and helpful the past 2 weeks...TODAY I received a very nice, longish but very 'well versed' reply from my birthdaughter. Amazing since she just received my reply note that I had CC forward to her...today. Didnt take her long did it?
OK..back to BDs note. She has clearly said that she is nervous and somewhat 'afraid' to go too quickly, which is what I think we all want to do with initial replys...RIGHT? So, now I am hoping to do the right thing and take her lead....soooooooooo....what is too much? Really.
She has asked me about myself, past and present (I can fill in some blanks but not sure how detailed I should get).....She wants to know about ME...geesh...I never wrote much about myself anywhere so this will be a lengthy reply and I fear too much.
ANY HELP IS APPRECIATED FROM YOU ALL - JUST SOME POINTERS SINCE YOU HAVE BEEN THRU THIS STEP ALREADY.....I 'DO NOT' WANT TO MESS UP AT THIS STAGE <grin> Truthfully, I am who I am, nothing too special...but I have had a nice life, have a great family (her family too) and I am somewhat unique in my love of nature (to extreme at times)...so...is this the kind of info I should write about....just some hints please - I dont want anyone to compose a letter for me <smile>
She did write in her note that her Amom passed away about 2 years ago and that she is still in the grieving process. (Heck...my mom died in 95 and I will always be greiving my loss of her...my entire world changed COMPLETELY then and I was about 52 (not a child)...but MY mom and I had such a bond..even tho she had a total of 5 kids all together. We were like friends...so to hear that BD is in pain still is so normal to me....I would expect her to be). MY ISSUE HERE IS...since this is such a raw subject with her...now, I want to be careful not to say the wrong things...do I express my sympathy (yes of course I do)...but honestly I cant do much more than that. I didnt know her Mom, but can empathize with her loss. Understand?
She has also asked me for some photos and some family info...altho she has not mentioned in either of her two notes anything about my firstborn, her birthbrother who is 21 months older than she is...She knows I had a son when she was born since it was part of the Non ID that CC forwarded to her when the search was initiated...I certainly feel awkward in the simple fact that I was able to 'KEEP' him and had to surrender her for adoption....that in itself would say that he was more important to me (he was then, and still is actually)...have to be honest here..(no, I wont say that in my letter back to her).... I cant help but wonder if she knows he is such a BIG PART of my life...hell, he IS my life...his two children are my only REASON for life at this point in time so how can I not mention them......but I cant tell her that. I have sorted thru massive amounts of pictures to share with her, I luv taking photos...but guess what...most of them if not all really are my grandkids (either alone or with me)...or my DOGS who are the other half of my life now. (See I said this was one weird lady here)... Remember...it takes knowing someone and sharing life's experiences to really bond, IMO...so even tho she is truely my birthchild (but a mom now herself )...I do not know her, and find it difficult to communicate on that level.....you know....chummy. To me that would be out of line and not realistic...fake.
AT THIS POINT ...while I am thrilled to be where I am with her now in my life...knowing she is alive and well and welcoming me (albeit slowly) into her life...I dont know her....sooooooooooooooooooooo.....how do we get to that point. I have to stop myself when my mind starts to wander, and remember...42 years have gone by with us never meeting. That is going to take some time to fill in the gaps, right? Also...she has taken the step to supply me with her full name now, and total contact information (home address and email, not phone $ yet ,but ya know....I myself am not ready to chat on the phone - I think it would be very awkward - not to mention probably the longest phone call ever in history ! !
Help...write me however you want...privately is fine..but I really would welcome some input from my wise and experienced, and so caring...friends on this board...I really feel I need to reply back to her on Tuesday
keeping her on hold any longer just seems totally unfair to her.( (( group hugs ))):hippie:
YAHOO!!!!!! THAT IS SO GREAT!!!! I BET YOU ARE OVER THE MOON! N'EST CE PAS?
I will try to PM with you with some info to help and prepare yourself. You are putting a time limit on yourself and I think you need to just contact her with something light and simple and avoid the "going into stuff" just yet. that will come in time and remember you have plenty of time to get this right, right?
A letter I sent to my son after his initial contact included my hobbies, music, special loves (marine life etc) what pets I have, I put a video together showing me in my flat and talking to him as we went around (my friend video'd me) - it took the fear out of meeting me for him and he could see mannerisms and that he looked like me. Keep it easy going for a bit, the deeper stuff can come later, and it needs to, or one or either of you could end up bolting through the door!!!
What is TOO much is the heavy stuff of the bfather, why you split, any guilt you felt over giving her up, your issues, her issues, etc etc. Treat it as if you were wanting to make a friend of someone new you have just met. Remember, although you are her mother, you are both still strangers. Any genetic comparison will come over time as letters, emails, phone calls are exchanged. Don't say "When shall we", leave it, as I enjoyed that, look forward to it again, but when, how, etc is too much pressure early on. Remember that feelings you never knew existed will depth charge and that at some stage either or both of you will pull back to come to terms with those feelings. Its called the roller coaster and it knocks us all sideways and senseless. The honeymoon period is great, but you need to be aware of the stages of reunion which I will PM to you.
Have to go now, Just had a girlfriend call me and needs me ... speak later, but GREAT NEWS!!!! FANTASTIC... ENJOY THE GLOW....
BEFUDDLED-I have been watching your posts and hoping that you would get past the CI. I am so happy for you. I sure hope things go well.
Sorry no advice for you as I am not in reunion.
Congratulations and Enjoy the ride. Stacy
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sstuart
BEFUDDLED-I have been watching your posts and hoping that you would get past the CI. I am so happy for you. I sure hope things go well.
Sorry no advice for you as I am not in reunion.
Congratulations and Enjoy the ride. Stacy
------------------------------------------------------t hanks stacy...it has helped me SO MUCH to have others in my corner...this corner that I thought was mine alone (haha) little did I know so many women has similar trials to go thru. I will keep the forum updated..
warmly - bobbi
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[QUOTE=Jannyroo]YAHOO!!!!!! THAT IS SO GREAT!!!! I BET YOU ARE OVER THE MOON! N'EST CE PAS?
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JANNYROO - THANK YOU SO MUCH for sharing your wisdom & experiences with me...it really does help me to stay focused. RIGHT NOW..I have my life stash of photoes in front of me (well no - there are way too many for that, but I have them available and in some order too !!) but, after reading your post and others that I received today I am just going to pick one, its my favorite for now...nothing fancy just me and two grandones standing on the porch of an ole log cabin last summer. Sad to say it is the most recent one of me (anyway)...so looks like my litl angels will have to be my 'support' now as they have been thru their young lives.
I could spend all day on this project, but unfortunately 'life' calls me in other directions - so time is limited. I always seem to be rushing or doing this when I am exhausted at the end of the day - I would like to take just a day, maybe more devoted to just THIS issue so I can do it right. Simple, but appropriate.
I know once I get going I will be ok....again, thank you :flowergift: for being there for me.
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[QUOTE=Jackiejdajda]I am so happy for you.. I logged on this morning and was hoping you had gotten a reply.
This is the first thread with your news so am going to reply here..
[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]DEAR JACKIE - again, thank you so much for being by my side thru this exciting journey. :flowergift: I am in awe how open you and others have been, sharing your experiences and emotions with me...it has helped me A LOT to know that others are in , or have been in, the same situation. (Gee I really DID think I was the only woman who surrendered a child in that era...I DID)
So..I have your note and the others out in front of me as I use them to 'lean on' while I write back to my 'daughter' - - - i feel better referring to her as my daughter than BD...not sure why, but I do. She is my daughter in my mind.
One thing I will insert here for anyone else to read too, is that in her reply to me when she referred to her mom's passing....she called her...adoptive mother. WAS THAT NOT A RESPECTFUL GESTURE TOWARDS ME...I think it was...and I took special note of that too.
This poor girl (strong woman) a/k/a BD <g> mentioned twice within 6 lines that she was 'scared & nervous'....whew...I can't buy her a teddybear or lollipop now to try to soothe her, but I do need to convey, gently that she has nothing to fear from me...AND I know she is not fearing me personally - just our trip down the path of life from this point on. I do "get it" and I will go gently.
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Well, we did it! This past weekend my son "R" flew in from the east coast; my nephew flew up from Texas, my aunt and uncle drove 10 hours, and my daughter and her toddler son drove 4 hours to gather at our place to meet "R." The son I raised picked "R" up from the airport, spent the night together and drove out the next day to be welcomed by loving family members.
It was wonderful... Since people were coming from all over, "R" met them pretty much one at a time, having a chance to get to know them a bit before meeting the next one.
We didn't really have time to go to the hospital where "R" was born, but I felt comforted knowing that "R" was willing to do that. I think I will go ahead and arrange a meeting with medical records, perhaps contact the hospital chaplain first to explain my situation, if he/she is not too busy.
I would like the medical records for ALL of my children. Because "R" was adopted, does not negate him being born. We both have a right to that information.
DEB: I think I need to make an appointment with the agency director, because he certainly does not understand what I am asking for. When "R" and I compared notes, it appears that the stories didn't exactly match up. I'm glad we had a chance to talk about it and clear things up.
I wonder if it would help to provide the agency with a letter from "R" as well?
I have a feeling that medical records will be easier to obtain than agency records.
Our reunion was great, and "R" was happy to know that he was an uncle, and had a large family. My aunt created a notebook filled with family history and photos going back as far as his great-great-great-great-grandma! His cousin, formerly the oldest cousin, welcomed him to the family and turned over the position of oldest grandchild to "R."
With how well all of this is going, I really do feel like I need to finish coming to terms with past events. I know there will be many, many conversations in the future, but right now I feel like opening doors and turning on lights.
Peace,
Susan
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SuddenlySusan
Well, we did it! This past weekend my son "R" flew in from the east coast; my nephew flew up from Texas, my aunt and uncle drove 10 hours, and my daughter and her toddler son drove 4 hours to gather at our place to meet "R." The son I raised picked "R" up from the airport, spent the night together and drove out the next day to be welcomed by loving family members.
It was wonderful... Since people were coming from all over, "R" met them pretty much one at a time, having a chance to get to know them a bit before meeting the next one.
We didn't really have time to go to the hospital where "R" was born, but I felt comforted knowing that "R" was willing to do that. I think I will go ahead and arrange a meeting with medical records, perhaps contact the hospital chaplain first to explain my situation, if he/she is not too busy.
I would like the medical records for ALL of my children. Because "R" was adopted, does not negate him being born. We both have a right to that information.
DEB: I think I need to make an appointment with the agency director, because he certainly does not understand what I am asking for. When "R" and I compared notes, it appears that the stories didn't exactly match up. I'm glad we had a chance to talk about it and clear things up.
I wonder if it would help to provide the agency with a letter from "R" as well?
I have a feeling that medical records will be easier to obtain than agency records.
Our reunion was great, and "R" was happy to know that he was an uncle, and had a large family. My aunt created a notebook filled with family history and photos going back as far as his great-great-great-great-grandma! His cousin, formerly the oldest cousin, welcomed him to the family and turned over the position of oldest grandchild to "R."
With how well all of this is going, I really do feel like I need to finish coming to terms with past events. I know there will be many, many conversations in the future, but right now I feel like opening doors and turning on lights.
Peace,
Susan
:flowergift:
When you had R there was still some time after his birth when there was no adoption. That means the medical records were not part of the closed adoption.
So you really do not need to even tell anyone that R was adopted. The only thing is that since he is an adult only he will be able to access his infant files. Or so it is in the state of Washington.
The name on those files will be your last name at the time of his birth.
All I needed was a letter from him, with a copy of his Drivers license and it had to be signed and stamped by a notary.
As for angency records, you may have to go together. There is no guarantee that you will get anything. Other then them opening the file and reading things to you.
For the most part, the birthmother never got any papers from anyone about the adoption. We handed over our babies, and didn't even get a receipt.
When I was searching, my CI gave me a copy of the relinquishment form that I signed. I didn't remember reading it.
Or the fact that, had the orginal adoptive parents not taken my baby or hadn't been allowed to adopt him, he would have been given to someone else. Without my ever knowing there had been any problems.
Once you signed away your rights, you might have well have been dead. At least in the time before the 1980s.
I met one bmom who knew her baby had a heart problem. He was given to a doctor. She didn't find out until 18 years later that the child had died before the adoption had been finalized. Within 4 months of his birth.
Her child died without legally belonging to anyone.
So I wouldn't expect too much from the agency, I hope there give you your answers.
Good luck and let us know.
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Susan, congratulations on your family reunion. I'm glad it went so well and enjoy!
... it's called National Adoption Month (November).
Communication (email) has begun between R's amom and asis and myself. I am fortunate. R's mom has been looking for me for a very long time, and his asis has wanted to find me as well. They have both been very open, warm and welcoming.
As painful as my surrender experience was, I am deeply grateful that my son's mom did for me what I could not do at that time: she protected him from the harsh attitudes of an ignorant society. But, she did more than that... she loved him, and she raised him well. I am so proud of him. I am also thankful that R's mom has given me the acknowledgment that I need and want: her first email to me was titled... "R's other mom" ...
I think that as part of my "Coming to Terms with the Past" efforts, I need to acknowledge the woman who parented him, the woman who is willing to share the title and our son's love. :grouphug:
I never thought I would be doing this, but I'll be looking for a special card to send to "R's other mom" ...
Another door, another light, a little more peace of mind...
Susan
:flowergift:
That is a great opening from his mom.
good luck for the future
Scarlet
SuddenlySusan
... it's called National Adoption Month (November).
Communication (email) has begun between R's amom and asis and myself. I am fortunate. R's mom has been looking for me for a very long time, and his asis has wanted to find me as well. They have both been very open, warm and welcoming.
As painful as my surrender experience was, I am deeply grateful that my son's mom did for me what I could not do at that time: she protected him from the harsh attitudes of an ignorant society. But, she did more than that... she loved him, and she raised him well. I am so proud of him. I am also thankful that R's mom has given me the acknowledgment that I need and want: her first email to me was titled... "R's other mom" ...
I think that as part of my "Coming to Terms with the Past" efforts, I need to acknowledge the woman who parented him, the woman who is willing to share the title and our son's love. :grouphug:
I never thought I would be doing this, but I'll be looking for a special card to send to "R's other mom" ...
Another door, another light, a little more peace of mind...
Susan
:flowergift:
Susan, I made D's other mom a card myself on the computer thanking her for her role and place in his life. I sent it to her for Mother's Day the first year we were in reunion.
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Hmmm... now I am wondering if sending her a card because it is "adoption month" is a bit too kitschy...?
We have only just started communicating... should I wait until next Mother's Day? Or... does it matter when?...
I think making a card myself is a good idea... maybe with some photos...?
I dunno... this is truly new territory for me. But, I do want to acknowledge her and thank her.
Where, oh where, is Miss Manners when you need her?!
Susan
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I don't think it matters when. I think "adoption month" would actually be a good occasion. I used photos on the card I sent. She told me later she had shared it with a co-worker who is struggling as the adoptive mom in a semi- open adoption. Good luck. Tell her what you're thinking!