Spin Zones?

I believe that McCain has been getting a free pass for years, based on the times that he went against his party. The LIBERAL MEDIA fostered this image of him that was almost beyond reproach. He was believed by many (including myself for a long time) to be a moderate Republican, pro-choice (or at least not anti), and quite unlike his far-right colleagues. When he called Falwell and co. "agents of intolerance", my respect for him grew enormously. I can't stand the man now. He sold his soul to the devil, in my opinion, all for his lust for the presidency. To see him speak at Falwell's university after what he had said about the man, just turned my stomach. Will the real John McCain please stand up.

You sure you got the right candidate with that description there? -Selling out to (breaking bread with) the devil -To see him speak to a topic one way in one place and then differently later when it would serve his run for president turned stomachs (oh but wait... that O video has a yet to be released date in LA). -Real. We haven't been allowed to see the real O to date and what we have seen publically (in all of 4 years) changes more than a cameleon stuck to a rainbow. (Carp!!!...just broke my own rule about really trying not to say negative things about the other guy. I guess I'm set for the presidency now...breaking promises and all:arrow: )

Binkybear, you keep saying that there is so much they're keeping from us about Obama, so much we haven't been allowed to see, how the real truth is out there etcetera etcetera...PLEASE do provide this evidence, as you seem to know something the rest of us don't, obviously.And believe me - I'm describing John McCain.

Am I the only one who wanted Joe Six pack to be a really good looking guy with great abs?

Ok, here goes. When I say not "allowed" I'm not saying there are secret schmecret documets out there. I'm reffereing to the fact....fact...that every single time something of concrete meaning comes up about this man it's brushed aside as a nothing. He's never accountable, it's never his responsibilty to have known better, hes always totally unaware of all the people, places, and objects around him. He's a totally casual observer to all that is his life's journey, simply stumbling innocently into all of the associations, with zero ownership, with zero accountability, with zero apologies, with zero...zero fear factor. He knows that he could call a huge majority of the american people "selfish" and that no man who questioned it would be taken serioulsy for he is "the one". Quotes from his own mouth don't even mean what the words put together in a sentence define...they're recited back to us in another fumbling stumbling stuttering meaning and for whatever reason there are people who can't get enought of it. Why hasn't he always had "faith" in the people he would lead. Why?? Why did it need to be "validated" (according to his latest stump speeches)...who is this man who would lead us that his faith in us would need to be restored??? OUR faith in HE the government should be his concern, not if WE love him enough to vote for him then he's proud of us. Do as I say and I love you, don't and your selfish. It's dysfunctional, manipulative and just about the most bassackwards thing I've ever seen from a man who wants to lead American people... ALL of them, not just those who would love him unconditionally. This is an adoption forum where people all the time say what they would and would not tolerate for thier kids sake. How if a family member was blatantly filled with hate they would stop the contact and relationship immediatly or cut ties..."too bad". What if parents only did that when other parents actually walked in on the evil happening, called the parents on it and threatened to spill the beans out here on A.com for all to see. And then what if the parents who lived with the pure hate day in and day out said...I never saw, heard, or knew about it...but there was concrete proof they did. What would anyone out here say, think or react to. just say oh well, they're decent folks anyway and I'm sure they meant well and will make amends going forward. None of our business, right.... sure in a home, with parents and a kid. This is a man, a supposedly smart guy with smart guy degrees who wants to be President! He blew it off, manipulated it, lied about it, changed it all around, had no accountibility for where he planted his butt every sunday (or in anothers home, or at a fundraiser, or over dinner) to what he heard with those ears, and then only when forced to...when someone else made him accountable (after putting up a good fight to the contrary initially) did he say that it was a relationship that would "change". (This is consistent with at least 5-6other relationships, business dealings, etc...it's not just about one issue.) We've only seen glimpses of the real man when he's caught in a truth OR when he's stumbling for words and says what's REALLY on his mind. Some random rogue nutcase in a rally crowd sreams out terrorist over 1,000 other voices and the man at the front concentrating on a speech is supposed to hear that. A man sitting in a church pew listening to one man scream out hateful line after hateful line claims he never heard a darn thing. Right that's normal and there's no bias. Spin me a new one this web of lies is getting full. ----- -Binky - Obamas "Selfish" (and "bitter" seeing as I'm in PA) American in the suburbs that "bore him". huh, I wonder if I can get all of that into a new country tune... I'm validated to be a selfish american where at least I know I'm boring and I won't forget the man who lied and gave that name to me look out Lee Greenwood we have a re-write!:evilgrin:

Binky, thanks for explaining what you mean. I completely disagree with you, but I appreciate you articulating your feelings on this.

I sure wish we could find those "secret documents", Binky. Maybe they're hidden somewhere in those weapons of mass destruction?? You find them before Tuesday, I just might regret my vote (yeah, right!!!).

I'm sorry you didn't understand what I wrote. Maybe re read it and see that I said there were no "secret documents" in my concern about not knowing the real man and then gave my points pretty clearly.

Fadzi, Thanks for hearing it, I'd never ask you to agree. But I do very much appreciate the open ear :) I've thought about it a lot today after typing that all out. As I wrote that whole thing up there I still had this "why" I wanted to convey. Not that it was about media bias totally, but it played into those lines in it's own way. It was driving me nuts that I couldn't put it to words how I wanted to. It's partly to do with religion and concern over what I personally see and hear out on the street and even here on the net. Well, then I went to Mass and it was literally right there in my lap and being spoken to my ears. A booklet that is printed in full for a 6 month timeframe months and months ahead of time was talking right to me. I got chills. And now... now I can try to share my one other reason or concern as well. What I see happening in regards to Obama and the people just plain old freaks me out spiritually. I like the word hope, I like the word faith, I like the word save. What I don't like is the desperation of a people being lifted to a level of needing saving instead of a leader. I don't want saving, I need a leader of government. I think a lot of people (for originally very real reasons) are indeed putting all of their hope, faith and self into a man they would see save them like no other man has before. And that freaks the heck out of me. Today's 2nd reading from my Mass today is pasted here below. As I read it I replaced one name with another. As I did this I recalled news headlines, heard a peoples cries and chants, I saw the slogans-tshirts and bumper stickers. I heard the speakers who would see him elected and I heard the voices of those who stand in the crowds. Save this country, save our finances, save our homes, save our hope, save our faith, save us with your change. He will save this country, he will save our hope, yes He can. Again, it's what I'm seeing in my countrymen and it FREAKS me out in a way no other election I've witnessed firsthand. We need a leader not a savior. If I had one small request of anyone it would be that people save some of that hope and faith...we might all just need it soon. On this mountain the Obama will provide for all peoples A feast of rich food and choice wines, juicy, rich food and pure, choice wines.

On this mountain Obama will destroy the veil that veils all peoples, the web that is woven over all nations; Obama will destroy death forever. The Obama will wipe away the tears from all faces; The reproach of his people Obama will remove from the whole earth; for the Obama has spoken. On that day it will be said: "Behold our Obama, to whom we looked to save us! This is the Obama for whom we looked; let us rejoice and be glad that Obama has saved us!" (Only altered Lord to Obama) -------- -Binky A little freaked out but praying for the best

[FONT=Times New Roman]I think that there are a variety of factors that have contributed to McCains downward spiral. I think that for the most part, the media is just reporting what his campaign offered up. [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]First of all, to McCainҒs credit, he has traditionally been a man who worked well with others. He has a strong history of bipartisan efforts, and clearly can create policies along with those whose world view is quite different from his own. Rather than building on this strength, and perhaps even pulling the support of moderate Democrats away from Obama, his campaign went in the other direction. It got ugly. And that did not reflect well on him. The press has taken note. [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]Then his running mate. He had a whole nation of brilliant thinkers, accomplished politicians, or self-made business geniuses to pick from. Instead, his handlers clearly made a decision that they thought would bring in some specific demographics. An evangelical Christian, to help stir up some of the voters who so passionately supported the Bush campaign, and a woman, to help draw in the nations largest ғminority. The decision was so clearly calculated, the media could not help but laugh. [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]Finally, the economy. Now as a traditional Republican, IԒm guessing that he probably believes in a bit more fiscal responsibility than our current president. But his voting record over the past eight years says otherwise. Weeks, (or was it days?) before the Wall Street collapse, after tens of thousands of American families had lost their homes, and the national debt was increasing exponentially, McCain proclaimed The nationӒs economy is basically strong. Those were his words. After the Wall Street collapse, his attempt to run away from the campaign to deal with this newly discovered crisis was either puzzling or comical. [/FONT]

OK, I can't let this one go unanswered. The Jeremiah Wright card has been played and played again, and Obama has answered it. Read it for yourself here: [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/18/obama-race-speech-read-t_n_92077.html]Obama Race Speech: Read The Full Text[/url] I personally don't think he is saying he "never heard a thing" and I respect him for walking away when he no longer agreed with his pastor's teachings. Gosh, I am a Catholic and our priests get assigned to our local churches every couple years. We have certainly had some that we have not agreed with but it is either sit and listen or skip mass altogether. I would hate to have my career judged because of what one of my past priests may have said in church one day.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I belive this is what was said in full. (???) "I still believe the fundamentals of our economy are strong. We've got terribly big challenges now, whether it be housing or employment or so many of the other ԗ health care. It's very, very tough times." 1funda׷mental Pronunciation: \ˌfən-də-ˈmen-təl\ Function: adjective Date: 15th century 1 a: serving as an original or generating source : primary b: serving as a basis supporting existence or determining essential structure or function : basic 2 a: of or relating to essential structure, function, or facts

If ever once...just once my pastor said out loud "god **** America" you'd better believe my butt wouldn't be out the door it would be heading right for that alter. Pah lease......:eek: One day..there's a library of videos on sale. It's not a card, it's a novel. edited to add: considering the "terrorist" rally goer complaints are newer additions to the campaign I think the comparison I made is a fair and balanced one to show the bias (point of the thread as well...bias)

Binkybear, you are right and I am wrong. He did use the word fundamental. Over and over again. Both before, and after the collapse. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykcfPtouNYk]YouTube - 22 Times: McCain Has Said Fundamentals of Economy Are Strong[/url][URL="http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=mccain+economy+fundamentally+strong&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=4&ct=title#hl=en&q=mccain%20economy%20fundamentally%20strong&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=4&ct=title&start=10"][/URL] And thank you for the etymology. I think I understand now. [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT]

I am so happy to hear opinions from both sides, this will all be over soon, then we get to relish in our own votes. I must say though, politics and church should remain seperate. My husband and I manage this daily. He is old fashion german catholic and I am a baptist. If we can do this ...so should everyone...and most definately government. I am a firm believer that a persons religion should never be a reason to not associate. I for one would never go to a church that is harboring pediphiles, moves them around when they get caught, or retires them to a retirement sanctuary, without prosecution. This is way beyond exceptable. So that will be my 2 cents worth for the day....GO VOTE!:cheer: