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Originally Posted By Mary?
Worshiping mother Mary is like worshiping the golden calf. "Thow shalt not have any other Gods before me" Read the 10 commandments. through Jesus is the only way to God not through Mary
Originally Posted By Sandra
There is only one Creator.However,you can worship everything that he created.It is his creation.In this world ,we have forgotten that.To worship is to love and adore what the ONENESS has created.And abhor the evil of what his subjects have created,,,,,,and BOLDLY doing it in the name of the Creator,AS if this is their only life not realizing they will MEEKLY reap their own rewards.God does not punish.We do that to ourselves,by our deeds.Do unto others,as you would have them do unto you...seems to be a "facecious figure of speech" anymore,not a commandmant?....
sandra
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Originally Posted By Mary ?
Why do they say " Hail Mary" if it is not worshipping her. Jesus refers to her as "the woman" in the bible.
Originally Posted By Mark
What does any of this have to do with adoption? One religion or another should not matter. I can't believe this nonsense still goes on in the 21st century!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted By Cristin --> jumping in here!
Hello ladies,
All this is getting old. I didn't scroll back to read it from the beginning, but Mary is right, we do not worship Mary, so to speak, we honor her. However, Mark is also right, in that it is the 21st century (and we are in AMerica)and we all do not have to agree on everything. What we should do is focus our energy on helping young Christians, who make the choice to have premarital sex. These mislead girls often find themselves pregnant and overwhelmed with despair. These young Christian girls are often still children themselves. BUT, their babies are not mistakes and are here on earth for a reason. The reasons are not for us to know. ALl I know is that it is an honor to rise to the occasion and raise these children as our own, instead of exterminating them. Many people, who cannot have their own children are blessed with the greatest gift. All mothers suffer. Birth mothers, adoptive mothers, the Blessed Mother.
We share this, Ladies, and that should bring us together. I have two biological children already but would love to adopt a child. This feels right to me. Not everyone agrees, I'm sure.
Let's work together here and try to support whatever our endeavors are, for they will be different for everyone. I would love to somehow change adoption from the "money making scheme" that it is ( IN MY OPINION OF COURSE). For I feel, if it were not for the outrageous costs involved, there wouldnt be any orphans.
Cristin
Originally Posted By Cynic
The reason there are "orphans" is not because of the cost. There are plenty of prospective adoptive parents willing to pay huge sums of money to adopt. The reason there are children waiting for homes is because they are not infants and not as desirable as a baby. It makes me feel concern about how a child adopted at birth will be treated when they are no longer a baby.
The choice for most birthmothers is NOT adoption or abortion, rather it is TO PARENT or adoption.
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Originally Posted By Cristin
While there are many childless couples willing to pay a huge amount of money for a child they are often are unable to do it again! (Like my sister and my best friend!!) There are also plenty of people that I know, with biological children, that WOULD adopt if it were not so expensive to do so. Birthmothers are often councilled to abort or parent NOT to give the child up for adoption!!!
In fact,I, myself was interested in adopting an older child. A three year old. I just don't have 20,000 plus to do it! Of course, most new parents want a baby. There are plenty believe me. They are all sitting in Daycares all over America, or are in foster homes, or are with grandparents. I worked for HEadstart for many years, believe me, I saw many, many babies who were "raised" by everyone, except their overwhelmed, overwrought, young mothers (many were substance abusers). Alot of people pay with this kind of a system, especially those kids....they pay dearly.
Originally Posted By Cynic
I do agree that birthmothers should not be encouraged to abort but they SHOULD be encouraged to parent their child. If someone wishes to adopt, they should not go after the child of someone who can raise their baby, there are children in foster care waiting for homes. Birthmothers have every RIGHT to keep and parent their child.
Originally Posted By Cynic
It does not cost $20,000 to adopt a child from foster care. It does cost about that much to adopt an infant. Actually, many states have programs to pay people to adopt these children. What state are you in?
I don't think it is fair to single out young women. I have seen many older parents that were not great and have seen many exceptional young parents that never used drugs. The ideal way to be raised would for a parent to constantly watch a child and stay at home and not work, but that is not reality for the majority of Americans. Daycares can be an acceptable place for children to be. Yes, there are children in foster care, and some are waiting to be adopted.
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Originally Posted By Cristin
I am not singling young mothers out as being bad parents, I know many older couples who are worse!
My neice was 18 when she had her daughter and with the help of family, she is doing well. Not every young mother has the help of family and friends. If your lucky enough to have that kind of help, then you can handle the role of being a new parent. More "young" parents are in a position to choose to put their children up for adoption more often. These mothers are actually very noble, very unselfish mothers not bad mothers at all. However, I think that many girls are councilled to either parent or abort and that is a very tough decision. Adoption is not always portrayed as a good option, because many are told it is too difficult. Some mothers can't bear never seeing the child again. Open adoption allows mothers to stay in contact with the child throughout its life. Still others decide to have no contact at all.
You can only adopt older children from foster care and many of those children are special needs or children with severe emotional or physical trauma. All of those children are shool-aged. In this state (NH), and the surrounding states anyway. I don't know if you have raised a child with these problems, but it is a hard job reserved for special people and is not an option for everyone.
As far as daycare goes, daycare is not for people who WANT to work nor is it for people WHO are not able to parent their own children. I see parents who drop their kids off at 6:30am and come for them after six every evening. Believe me not all of these parents are working, they are either working out, or just hanging with "friends" or something like that. For many parents, it is a necessity, but they make it up to their children, by spending time with them on weekends, etc. They give their children quality parenting instead of waiting for others to parent their children for them. The key to daycare, like many other things, is moderation, not abuse.
Of course, all this could be argued back and forth forever. Every situation is so different, just as every parent and every child is different. You can only make the best choice that you can given what you got. I havent been able to have children for the last 7 years, but I am lucky enough to already have two biological children that I adore. I am thinking that God is guiding me on the path towards adoption now, and that's where I am trying to head. Who knows if I will get there or not, but at least I would like to try.
Originally Posted By Cynic
Please point out where I said that birthmothers should be ashamed. That is a big lie, and YOU should be ashamed of yourself for your lie. I advocate for women to have more information, so that they know that it is possible to parent, much like your niece.
Yes, there are not many infants in foster care, but those children need help too. Are they not God's children too? Are they not worthy of homes too? Why wait for an infant to be available when there are children waiting for homes?
Please don't lie anymore and I will respect you.
Hmmmmm....yet adopters think children should worship "ADOPTERS"..Adoptees KNOW their Mother.
So Mark,,,you think religion changes to fit the "times to accomodate certian segments of society"? After all,it is the 21st century?
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Originally Posted By Lorraine
Obviously you know very little of the Catholic faith. We do not worship Mary. If someone in your family is sick, do you not ask for other family members to pray for that ill member? Who better than Mary who is the mother of Jesus, to ask her to pray and pass on the word to Jesus. Can Jesus refuse his mother? Jesus did the first miracle at the wedding feast on request of his mother.
Originally Posted By Catholic family
Is this really the place for this? Go to a debate board if you want to debate something. This board is supposed to be for support right? Read the Catechism. THat will answer your question!