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Hi everyone, my husband are both US citizens living in Canada. We are in the process of adopting from the US and from the start have been open to a child of any race or background. We tried foster-to-adopt when we were living in the states and after having a little boy for 8 months and having it fall through we decided that it was too painful an experience to try again right away, so we have decided to pursue an agency infant adoption this time. Because we had always been equally open to any race and because we live in the Toronto area which is one of the most culturally diverse areas in the world, we didn't feel guilty about signing up for a program that has lower fees for AA or bi-racial adoption. There are a lot of immigration fees that have to paid on this end so it made sense to us with the budget we had to work with.
However, the perception here in Canada is that the agencies that offer these programs are promoting racist attitudes and many people refuse to work with them. My feeling had been that the fees were set up this way on the basis of higher need, or more difficulty placing children, but I would like to get some other takes on this. Do you see these agencies as racist, or do you see the lower fees as existing for other reasons, perhaps as a result of the racism that still exists in the states, or for other reasons all together? I do not have issues of conscious with why we made the decision, but I would not like to do anything that promotes or supports racism or racist attitudes. What kind of example would that be for my child? I know we can't be the only people weighing this issue.
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millie58
I'm wondering if the higher CC rate is due to the meth explosion..
In my county Meth is definitely reason most of the CC kids are in foster care. It's always been majority CC but the reason for removal shifted over the years. My county does raids on meth labs on a regular basis and people always seem to have kids up in the mix especially in the rural areas. You would be shocked at the number people (CC & AA) in rural areas who run drugs just to so they can stay in the country. There's no industry out there so they have to be creative in making a living. Our last DFCS CW was a little suspicious of some of the foster parents. Huge homes and lots of property but not quite sure of their source of income...always self employed. The recovery rate from meth is extremely low so the children either go to family members are placed in adoptive homes.
I wonder why minorities seem to have little interest in meth.
The whole meth thing makes shopping inconvenient at times... you go to the store so many things are locked up... baby formula, cold medicine and etc.
I am not sure why meth is not as wide spread amongst Blacks. I have not come across an article pondering such. I hope Blacks keep away from meth, the poor communities cannot take another wide sweep of another addictive drug. Dh and I loved the cable tv show on the chemist who thought he was dying, and became caught up in the meth fabrication. The dad from Malcolm in the Middle played the main role, very good show. I forgot the name.Added: Breaking Bad is the name of the show.
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I'm hoping blacks are staying away from meth because they've seen what crack did. I don't know if we'll ever fully recover from the crack epidemic.
Sleeplvr
In my county Meth is definitely reason most of the CC kids are in foster care. It's always been majority CC but the reason for removal shifted over the years. My county does raids on meth labs on a regular basis and people always seem to have kids up in the mix especially in the rural areas. You would be shocked at the number people (CC & AA) in rural areas who run drugs just to so they can stay in the country. There's no industry out there so they have to be creative in making a living. Our last DFCS CW was a little suspicious of some of the foster parents. Huge homes and lots of property but not quite sure of their source of income...always self employed. The recovery rate from meth is extremely low so the children either go to family members are placed in adoptive homes.
I wonder why minorities seem to have little interest in meth.
The whole meth thing makes shopping inconvenient at times... you go to the store so many things are locked up... baby formula, cold medicine and etc.
OakShannon
And I also don't think ANYONE should transracially adopt only because it's cheaper.
It cheapens the situation based on the child's race etc; due to how we deal with racism in this society. Bottom line adoption and money should be basic fees, no additives... period. Then we would not be there going .hmm I can go with the cheaper kid, and then think about how to raise said minority child later on. I was adoption naive, but at least I read a book or two before I went agency shopping. Apparently what occurs in foster to adopt is different than private agencies. A private agency/facilitator/attorney services may or may not provide adequate classes, resources on raising a Black childOrientation class, private agency: I saw a CC woman being told she was too old, and since she had an older child from a previous marriage..she would not qualify for the healthy CC newborn program. Poor lady was devastated already, all nervous,with nails that were chewed down to the nub. So next on the agenda was IA (international adoption). Oh, okay she and her husband said. I mean, how much thought went into that, or was it just at that point desperation to have a child "any" child. Even the CC newborn program is set up as an the top of the echelon within some agencies.. okay you do not qualify here are some "secondary" options. Of course the agency may say well, the options are based on the birth-moms preferences, really? I guess other race moms do not want the "best' for their child. It was interesting hearing some of the "reasons", business tactics.
dhardawa
This thread made me think of something else too. Years ago, I ran across a website that broke down a ton of information about international adoption from different countries. I was shocked to see how many counties consider being a boy as a special need, thereby lowering the cost and time involved in placing the child. Is this sexist or is it just harder to place boys so they are offering incentives hoping to recruit more parents willing to adopt them?
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Sleeplvr
This is a problem in this country too. Girls are much easier to place for adoption. There are a lot of men who refuse to raise another man's son. A son will carry on the family name and a daughter will not. When you look at other countries who may follow Confucian principles bloodline comes first. It's getting better though... many of the popular countries have started media campaigns to promote adoption. We have become jaded about celebrities adopting here but in other countries it's really helping children remain in their home countries and break down the cultural stigma against adoption.
Most people are not willing to admit it... My DH has talked with numerous men since we adopted and they are amazed that he was willing to adopt a boy. This is from people I would have never thought would think like that but they felt comfortable talking to DH and wanted to understand how he could do it. DH actually changed a few minds along the way.
Sleeplvr
Most people are not willing to admit it... My DH has talked with numerous men since we adopted and they are amazed that he was willing to adopt a boy. This is from people I would have never thought would think like that but they felt comfortable talking to DH and wanted to understand how he could do it. DH actually changed a few minds along the way.
Hadn't ever heard that about men before. Guess I better speak up for the males then. The running joke at our house is that as the only son of an only son, of an only son means that Matthew is carrying on the family name, such as it is. We get a big kick out of the idea that someday down the road an ancestor will be checking their heritage and wonder when we switched colors! :)So this is one man who has no problem with his adopted son. Don't really even like that word adopted sometimes. He's my son.
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Guppy35
Hadn't ever heard that about men before. Guess I better speak up for the males then. The running joke at our house is that as the only son of an only son, of an only son means that Matthew is carrying on the family name, such as it is. We get a big kick out of the idea that someday down the road an ancestor will be checking their heritage and wonder when we switched colors! :) So this is one man who has no problem with his adopted son. Don't really even like that word adopted sometimes. He's my son.
nickchris
It cheapens the situation based on the child's race etc; due to how we deal with racism in this society. Bottom line adoption and money should be basic fees, no additives... period. Then we would not be there going .hmm I can go with the cheaper kid, and then think about how to raise said minority child later on. I was adoption naive, but at least I read a book or two before I went agency shopping. Apparently what occurs in foster to adopt is different than private agencies. A private agency/facilitator/attorney services may or may not provide adequate classes, resources on raising a Black child
Orientation class, private agency:
I saw a CC woman being told she was too old, and since she had an older child from a previous marriage..she would not qualify for the healthy CC newborn program. Poor lady was devastated already, all nervous,with nails that were chewed down to the nub. So next on the agenda was IA (international adoption). Oh, okay she and her husband said.
I mean, how much thought went into that, or was it just at that point desperation to have a child "any" child. Even the CC newborn program is set up as an the top of the echelon within some agencies.. okay you do not qualify here are some "secondary" options. Of course the agency may say well, the options are based on the birth-moms preferences, really? I guess other race moms do not want the "best' for their child. It was interesting hearing some of the "reasons", business tactics.