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I posted on the other thread that I had started reading the book, and that when I had completed it, I would start a new discussion.
Well, I couldnt even finish it҅I think I made it to chapter six before I just couldnt deal with what she was saying anymore҅
Now, I certainly am NOT discounting anyoneŒs healing, or anyones feelings regarding the book, and the way it makes them feel҅this is my own personal feeling about it
I just couldnŒt stop rolling my eyes long enough to readI mean, some of the stuff I understand and agree with, but a lot of it, to me, is pretty out there. I certainly believe that there are some people who were affected like this, but I just donŒt feel I am one of them.
I feel like I already have an explanation for a lot of my suffering and problems, so maybe thats why it was so hard to read҅I dont know. I just know, for me at least, it wasnҒt something I wanted to continue to read; it seemed pointless.
So, is the whole book talking about adoptees reaction to be separated from the birth mothers? If so, where do adoptive parents fit in, are their actions (or lack of) totally not to blame? I know at one point it mentioned that adoptive parents were told to take their child home and treat it just like it was their own, and theyd never know҅I guess I just dont understand҅
Maybe I will try to read it again some timewho knows.
Originally posted by dl
This may have been the experience of some bmothers, but many adoptees that have reunited or attempted to reunite have discovered that this was not the experience of their bmother ~ that relinquishment was a choice that bmother/bparents made.
Based on my conversations with my half-siblings they have many more wounds from the life they led being kept , than I have from being relinquished and adopted. Two of them have specifically stated that they wish they had been adopted.
Did some bmothers/bfathers have no choice. Obviously. But many did have a choice and not all bfathers "failed mightily to step up to the plate". My bmother did not choose to parent her first two children. She used the same adoption agency both times. I'm sure it was not easy for her in 1953 as a single woman to keep a mixed race child but again, that was the choice she made. Unfortunately she basically abandoned the three children she kept and died at a young age.
Each story is unique and different IMO ~ whether a bparent, an adoptee or an aparent.
I cut some of your post out to shorten this response. Regarding your comment that relinquishment was the choice of some birthmothers, that obviously is going to be true. I will say though, having been a member of Concerned United Birthparents and attending regular meetings for over five years, I literally met hundreds of fellow adoptees and birthmothers. For almost ALL the birthmothers I met, they didn't relinquish their children through their OWN choice, but through the CHOICE of their own parents (as in my situation as a teenager).
My birthparents were older, mom was 36 and father was 30. My birthmother tried to get my birthfather (who professed to love her) to do the right thing so that she could keep me. He was Greek with a domineering mother who was determined he would marry someone of HER choosing and she did not choose my mother. My mother fought off the adoption 'solution' as long as she could, and when my bfather didn't "step up to the plate," she surrendered me. That was not what she wanted.
In my case, I was underaged and under the control of my adoptive father and a stepmother who never actually adopted me. It was HER choice that I lost my child, not mine. My daughter's father managed to be conveniently 'out of town' at the time of her birth and I lost the battle to keep her.
I don't believe I made a comment that most birthfathers failed to do the right thing. Perhaps I misunderstood you? I will say that in most of the scenarios I heard over the years of CUB counseling was that most of the birthfathers in those womens' lives did NOT do the honorable thing and those moms did not want to surrender their children to adoption. Maybe that is because if someone is OK with having surrendered of their own choice, they don't feel the need to seek counseling and empathy from other birthmothers.
Now in your case, I would have to agree with you that your birthmother was very dysfunctional and you probably were better off adopted. Your situation is not very different from my adoptive sister's which she discovered only last year. Her father actually took her mother out of high school and married her. She got pregnant with my adoptive sis and her husband (!) forced her to give my sister up! She then had a child from an affair (while her husband was overseas in the Navy) and gave that boy up. Her husband came home (apparently not the wiser) and they proceeded to have two more daughters. He again tried to make her give up those kids but my sister's birthmother refused.
Supposedly, my sister's birthfather was an alcoholic and somewhat abusive. He had passed away though about 15 years ago. My sister found a mess of a birthmother (who tried immediately to cling to her), and two sisters who have been welfare queens and have had ten kids between them, all by different fathers! My sister is extremely grateful to have been given up, even though our adoptive home was not exactly a dream come true either. She was hoping mightily that her birthmother would have turned out to be more like mine. She was very disappointed that it didn't but she is still glad that she searched. She is happy that she was adopted, I am not happy that I was but accepted that life was unfair long ago!
I think everyone's story is different, some adoptions are good, some are bad. I don't think all birthfathers are losers, just mine and my daughter's. I did like Primal Wound but I think I stated in an earlier post that Birthbond helped me (and my mother and daughter) the most emotionally.
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i still have negative thoughts re: the book, but I have also given up on my search.....................my ** isn't interested and I won't push!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Manisha
To re-engergize a highly debatable topic... I am currently reading the Primal Wound and find it very enlightening. I am a healthy person, able to put myself through college and hold a good job. I am in a long term relationship and I pay my taxes. I even served our beautiful country after college.
I am also a birthmother in a recent reunion with my daughter and am grateful for reading this book. No, I don't think she is necessarily as tramatized as this book might suggest, however, I as a well adjusted, healthy, self-reliant individual who does not consider herself a victim, can related in many ways to this theory. Therefore, it is possible that my daughter can as well and now I am able to know that so that we can work through things together if necessary.
There are many sides to adoption and just as every birth and every family is different, I also believe so is every adoption. There are definite common threads and somethings apply to some an not others. I am glad it was written and that I had the opportunity to read it.
Kimberly
I have read the book and while I can see alot of my past behavior in it's pages the explanations are highly speculative pretty out there. You just can't blame anybody else for the person you are.
How can anyone know how adoption affected them when it is their only experience of life? We need to recognise the past but not to dwell on it because no one can change it.
I searched for meaning in life for many years and longed for my birthmother. Now I have all the purpose fufillment and meaning anyone could want and I found it in my creator, savior and King, Jesus Christ. I wrote a letter to my Birthmum and am waiting for a response but my sense of worth or well being doesn't depend on it.
I just started reading PW last night. I found it to be confusing. I could identify with some of the text but some just seemed to be excuses for bad behavior. I will finish the book and Im thinking of buying my A mom a copy. She and I talked about it a little today and she said "why didnt they tell me I was dealing with grieving babies? That kinda makes since." Ill post again after she reads it.
Lisa
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BrandyHagz
I just couldnt stop rolling my eyes long enough to read҅I mean, some of the stuff I understand and agree with, but a lot of it, to me, is pretty out there.
Well that certainly is par for the course. It is unfortunate tht alot of people discount what they dont understand. How silly is that?
If anybody would have taken the time to read the book and the forward, they would have seen that this book is a result of a doctoral thesis. It is based on clinical study. It's legitiment book folks not some amoms pathetic attempts to rationalise her own guilt and behavior as some have mentioned. Gesh:rolleyes:
If the theory doesnt fit you personally count yourself lucky. Dont traample all over the theory especially if you dont have the capasity to understand what is being put forth. It reminds me of a child who says they hate green beans, and they nefer tried them. Same principle going on hear. Ahh yes but that is the american way. Dont understand it? it's new. SHOOT IT!
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renaud
stacyone
You know, I read an interview with Verrier where she admitted she never really bonded the same way with her adoptive daughter as with her biodaughter. I can't help but wonder if coming up with the "primal wound" idea was her way of excusing her own guilt... just a thought...
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The book makes a point that many dont want to hear that gestation and adoption do not produce the same kind of attachment. I have to say that to adoptive parents who adopt from their loss of fertility this can be a hurthful concept. One has to feel for them. In the same thought it should be recognized that an adoptee also comes into the relationship from the loss of the birth mother. Traditionally, we claimed that a baby has no lasting effect from this separation. What The Primal Wound states is that here is. Even though much of this is therory and difficult to measure we would be negligent if we ignored the serious implications of this. Keep in mind that the one voice never heard in an adoption is the voice of the infant. As a matter of convienience the adoption industry created beliefs that suited them. The baby will have no memory and no lasting effects, the birthmother is better suited the sooner her baby is taken away, were not based on solid research. It was the belief at the time and it was believed the best interests of the baby were served by these beliefs. Further the denial of the originl birth certificate to adult adoptees also comes from these beliefs On balance they were right, and we cant judge adoption today based on what was believed decades ago. Here today there is good research to indicate that babies do remember, suffer identity loss, and have a need to find their birth mothers. Birth mothers also suffer loss. All of this should not be viewed as inevitable, irreversable damage to both mother and child. That would make us all hopeless victims and no one is served by that belief. I am adopted and I did experience the loss and grief discussed in The Primal Wound. I hid my emotions for 50 years and then when I let them be experienced completely I was taken back by the intensity of them. Its truly amazing what the human mind can supress in order to survive. So while I accept Nancy Verrier's ideas, based on my personal experience, I do not let myself be defined by them. I will define myself. I am adopted and I am not a victim. My life is a triumph because I was adopted not in spite of it.
Robert Allan Hafetz
Roberthafetz@comcast.ne
Not Remembered Never Forgotten
BrandyHagz. Nancy Verrier is not saying that aparents don't have a role. In fact there is a whole section of the book devoted to trying to help adoptive parents to act in ways that will help them to bond successfully with their kids & to help them understand the various behaviours & reactions that may arise (+ how to cope).
The book is very big. However, it is perhaps better to read chunks that appeal to you or to just dip in & read little bits. Over time, you can move on to some other parts &, that way, you will get through the book in the end.
I know that I found this to be the best way for me to cope with reading "Coming Home to Self" and that it did help me to understand many things.
Some people misinterpret what is being said in the book. Perhaps Verrier should look at producing a set of smaller books made up of this one huge tome & phrase it in easier language so that more people "get" what is being said more easily.
I hope I don't get "crucified" for suggesting this. I realise that many people have strong feelings against the book. Nevertheless, IMHO, it is a worthwhile addition to the literature out there on adoption.
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Yes there is such a thing as a PRIMAL WOUND..unfortunately this woman now owns the copyright to it...I have to disagree with the book....it comes across as being a thesis into the hearts and minds of all...just take a glance at these forums, there are some common threads but there are just as many conflicting..there is no defining..no pill to swallow..no format ore template for feeling.....We do not have to shed the child...we are who we are and we all stumble and trip our way through life differently............as for a wound....it is deep and I have no idea how to dress it.....
Umbilical child
Yes there is such a thing as a PRIMAL WOUND..unfortunately this woman now owns the copyright to it...I have to disagree with the book....it comes across as being a thesis into the hearts and minds of all...just take a glance at these forums, there are some common threads but there are just as many conflicting..there is no defining..no pill to swallow..no format ore template for feeling.....We do not have to shed the child...we are who we are and we all stumble and trip our way through life differently............as for a wound....it is deep and I have no idea how to dress it.....
Umbilical Child - That is the problem I had reading the Primal Wound - Verrier's generalizations regarding the behavior of all adopted people. You're right - there is no template, no one format for how we feel but there are some common threads. What I do know from reading the book is that a lot of behaviors that she attributes to a primal wound can also be found in a lot of non adopted persons.
Another issue I had with the book was that a lot of her theoretical support was anecdotal. Maybe it's my background in engineering that requires more scientific evidence but I found her empirical support lacking. I mean, heck, I could go out there and find hundreds of case studies to support my theory that the primal wound doesn't exist but that would not make it true.
Pinakitha
The book is very big. However, it is perhaps better to read chunks that appeal to you or to just dip in & read little bits. Over time, you can move on to some other parts &, that way, you will get through the book in the end.
Its funny, I found it to be the opposite. I thought she tried to tackle way too much in terms of psychological theory in such a small book to be taken seriously, JMHO. From what I've read in the previous posts, of the folks who could not get through it just couldn't relate to it.
I am a reunited adoptee and was encouraged to read the book by a birthmother. I was born in the early 60's and when I read the part where it talked of babies being given pheonbarbatal to keep babies from crying for their mothers I broke down and cried because I very well could have been one of those babies given that medication due to the fact of the times and that I was cared for in the hospital nursery for the first three weeks of my life. I also found many things in the book that describes my life to a T. At times parts of it were scary for me to read knowing how much I was able to relate to the issues mentioned in the book.
I am the wife of an adoptee and found the book very enlightening. I was from the world that thinks you take a baby and place them in a good home and everything is ok but I'm finding out that, that isn't always the case. I'm finding out adoptee's have alot of the same issues. My husband feels more comfortable around people who have been adopted because he feels they understand him and I don't. I earmarked so many pages because I said oh my gosh my husband is acting this way. I'm not sure if he is acting this way due to a Primal Wound but there is something going on.
Even coming here and reading some of your stories I can totally relate them to my husband.
Wether you agree with or reject the theory you can look past that and read the parts about the behavior which has very much helped me as a spouse understand my husband better.
There is another book by Betty Lifton who also makes the same claim about the 'wound' and Betty is an adoptee.
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Manisha
HAve you read anymore?
I have just found this thread and I would like to say as a bmom, that yes, the book was pretty hard to get through and affected me deeply for a couple of weeks, but it was very illuminating and really really helpful, 'cos up to that point, I really couldn't understand where my son was coming from. Then Fauxgina got in touch with me and said, did you know there is a follow up book called 'Coming Home to Self' and I ordered it through the internet and was amazed that it not only showed me what the heck was going on (our reunion has been very hard) but it took me back a stage further and helped me identify my issues too!
I am forever grateful to Nancy Verrier for sticking with it and putting into print a means of expressing how adoptees feel and helping me to understand an amazing amount of what my son says "yes, thats how I feel, have felt'. I would like to offer more another time, but see how many reply to this thread, as it seems to have been going since 2004 and not many more inputs yet for this year????