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Hi, all we I wanted to share our semi open adoption experience & get some input from others that understand the situation, I have shared with my friends but they are not in a similiar or even close experience.
Sorry it is really long but wanted to explain the whole situation
My husband has a soon to be 16 year old daughter. When she was 18 months old we got custody from her drug using mother, for the next 18 months we fought hard to get sole custody since her mother was not even trying to get her stuff together. She rarely even showed up for court. When we were finally set to get our full custody her mother showed up in court (stoned) & started a physical fight with me while in the hallway, I was interacting with our newborn son & her daughter was sitting next to our son. My husband intervened & pushed her off of us & did infact punch her. When they went into the court the Judge decided that since in his mind both parents had acted poorly in court he would place the daughter in protective custody. Well that was even worse. Now I'm not saying my husband was a saint he did have his own drug & alcohol issues but was working hard on overcoming them with ofcourse a few set backs here & there.
He fought the system & foster mother for 3 years. Everytime he made 2 steps forward she would send him 3 steps back. He completed everything that was requested of him NA, AA, batterer annonymous (due to the fight) parenting classes, & counseling. He was working steady & we set up a home of our own (we were living with my parents, we were only 19 &22) When he finally got his first unsupervised visit after 2 years she told one of the 10 caseworkers that we had she thought his daughter had been molested! This was my husband's final straw, he spiraled slightly after that, he loves his daughter & would never have done this to her, we infact had thought her mother's boyfriend had done something but when we had her nobody would listen the us! We spent several thousands of dollars on an attorney that did nothing for us! Now through all this her bmother was not showing up for any court appearances! In the end they told my husband it had gone on too long & he needed to sign his rights over, he did thinking there was nothing else he could do, they told him by having mother's consent they could take his but it would look better if he volunteered them!
So over the years we moved 1200 miles away to help make it easier on my husband. We have had contact with the Amom who was previously the Fmom! 5 years ago she contacted my via email & said she thought his daughter was ready to meet him, he go all those emotions, scared, excited & nervous. Than she said no so we dealt with it, what else can we do? We did keep contact with Amom, in september 2006 I sent his daughter a picture cd with ALL the pictures we had of her when she was with us added music, the whole works! About a week later we got an unexpected phone call from the amom stating she wanted to talk to us, she was 13 at this time. She choose to talk to me only not her dad, he was really scared anyway. I treasured the phone call & made sure Amom knew this. At this time we were having a new house built & lost contact from late october till January 2007 when we finally got moved into the new house. Now during this time I had been checking up on her on Myspace she seemed to be having trouble, her myspace header was F*** Everyone, that spells trouble I think. So in January of 2007 I send amom our new address & a pic of the house we were really excited about it. Her reply is that our contact with the daughter (nonexistant except for a phone call) was too much for the daughter to deal with & we need to cease contact! OK we are 1200 miles away how are we the problem! But after a few words expressing this to the amom we stop contact. Send Christmas cards only. She did send some pics later on in the year & all notes continue to state they are still having problems but very active in church, very contradictory. In october 2008 the amom had somehow gotten my husbands email address, we had never given that out cause he likes me fielding the emails, he's still very emotional about everything, she proceded to tell my husband again that she thinks his daughter is ready to meet with him. If she was ready she would fly down here with her to meet with him, she told him she was going to Canada for Columbus weekend & would contact him after she got home on Monday. 2 weeks went by & my husband kept hounding me that something was wrong with his email, it was not coming to his bb! So I checked all setting & his email, nothing was coming in so I finally sent amom an email, I thought I was being reasonable, here is my email:
For several years now you have been contacting us and telling us that
YOU believe Bchild is ready to meet with bdad but just afraid of
hurting your feelings. You have even had her call us, which I believe
she was uncomfortable with the phone call. Then when bdad starts
feeling like he might actually get the opportunity that he has been
waiting so long for we hear nothing back from you or we are told that
she is having a lot of emotional problems due to contact with us. Well
this also causes a lot of emotions for bdad, he loves bdaughter more
than you could even begin to imagine. He thinks about her all the time,
after your last round of emails you got his hopes up that he might
actually get to see her again and spend time with her. Then he don't
hear back from you again, it's heartbreaking. Imagine having one of
your children taken from you and the person that has custody of your
child contacts you every couple of years and telling you they think
it's time for a reunion and they really think your child is ready for
it, you get your hopes up and maybe even start playing out in your head
how that reunion will go and than nothing reality slaps you in the face
and you hear nothing back from the family or you hear that the child is
in fact not ready to be reunited with you. It hurts, very deeply.
bdaughter is a very sensitive subject for bdad and I'm sure equally so
for bdaughter. bdad loves her deeply, he never stopped loving her, he
never stopped wanting her in his life, he lives for that day when she
will be back in his life again. But he needs to know that it is real,
not dare I say it but have her dangled in his face, it's not a game for
him it's real emotions. He loves hearing updates about her and loves
getting pictures of her, but I really would appreciate it if you would
please stop mentioning a reunion to him until the day that you decide
that you are going to go forth with a reunion regardless of what
bdaughter tells you or the day that bdaughter comes to you and says I would
like to meet my dad or call my dad. It would really spare his heart the
hurt of rejection from his daughter over and over again.
If you have any questions about this you have both of our email
addresses, our home number
This is the response I got back from her
I'm sorry but your email is rude. I answered every email that
bdad sent and did so caringly. You are aware that I have not
obligation to do that, but I do because I do care about bdad and his
feelings. I was in court and saw him hurt when the parental rights
were terminated. I saw his tears, and I saw his love. I can only let
bdaughter decide what to do and when she is ready to meet. We have talked
about flying down there and meeting however and whenever she is
comfortable. We are meeting with the therapist this week. We were
going to discuss this. After this email, I'm not sure that is a good
idea. Again, I have no obligation to do any of this or even send
photos or updated letters. Legally, she is fully our child. I can't
believe that you wrote the things you did. If I were anyone but the
person I am, I would never address this issue again. I am a very
caring person, however, and for bdaughter's sake, I would not act like a
child. I believe you need to rethink your words.
So I sent this back to her after much deliberation over my first email
I apologize if you think it sounded rude, that was not my intention. I am deeply concerned for the emotions involved in this matter of the heart. bdad gets his heart broken everytime you email him saying you THINK she's ready for a reunion and then it turns out that she is not, he feels rejected and hurt all over again and to watch that is heartbreaking to me. I also realize that this is a very sensitive subject for bdaughter and she has a lot of emotions going on inside of her as well. I'm only asking that the next time this subject is revisted it be in the form of bdaughter has come to me and decided that she is ready to see you it would save him the heartbreak of being "rejected" again. I realize that she is your legal daughter and you have no obligation to send updates or even pictures and I have never said that they were not appreciated, they are very much appreciated by all of us. Again I apologize if I sounded rude I'm just concerned for all hearts involved in this very sensitive matter.
Added to that everytime she writes us about bdaughter she is complaining about issues she has, drug use, sexually active, grades not good, putting on weight & not caring about it.
My question is why is Amom being like this to us? I don't believe my email request was rude? or was it?
Samantha
I wonder is there anyway to delete this post? I am feeling really attacked her. I thought this was mostly Bparents in this section but am only getting input from Aparents. The problem here is not that the bdaughter is going to the amom & saying I want to meet my bdad & than retracting it's that amom is ASSUMMING bdaughter wants the contact & speaking out for her instead of talking to her first than coming to my husband. I would also like to state that it is the amom that keeps bringing up a meeting not us, we had already accepted the idea that it would not happen till after she is 18 if not older. Again it is the amom that keeps pushing it.
I would also like to state that I see nothing wrong with me doing the communicating when all I'm doing is the typing or writing for my husband, it's still HIS thoughts, HIS emotions & HIS words not mine. He has bad communication skills so seeks my help in communicating. I do this with him for everything.
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Leandras,
Our intention isn't to attack you, and I'm sorry if you feel that way...
We're just trying to help you out. As I said before, it's hard to really assess when we only know 1 side of a story...
And FWIW, 2 of the people who responded ARE firstmoms...
LeandrasStepMom
I thought this was mostly Bparents in this section but am only getting input from Aparents.
Ummm, no...I am a birthmother, not an amom. I've been in reunion with my son since he turned 18, almost 19 years ago.
LeandrasStepMom
I would also like to state that I see nothing wrong with me doing the communicating when all I'm doing is the typing or writing for my husband, it's still HIS thoughts, HIS emotions & HIS words not mine. He has bad communication skills so seeks my help in communicating. I do this with him for everything.
The reason I suggested your husband be the one to communicate with his daughter's amom is simply because he is the birthparent. When you write the mom emails detailing how her behavior is hurting your husband, you're putting yourself in the middle. I think that it's always best when communicating with someone else that the contact be direct and not through a third party. Just my two cents...
Ok, speaking as an adopted adult here, you can't force reunion on anyone. My brother, who now is flaky about contact, tried that with me. I dug my heels in and said NO NO NO.... I was 26, not 16.
Reunion isn't about your husband, it is about his daughter and what is right for her. She had no control over the craziness going on around her when she was placed for adoption, now she needs to have control of this. When she was placed, everyone else was an adult, albeit, young adult, but adult none the less.
Seriously, if you've been asked to give her space, you need to, you need to respect her wishes.
I do think the amom needs to stop making these plans to arrange for the daughter to reunite and then retracting them. From what I am reading, it is not the daughter that is the issue, it is the amom, knowing the daughter is not ready, still pressing the issue, and then getting the birthfather's hopes up and then retracting, saying the daughter is not ready. It's like she's playing a mind game here.
I do agree, though, that contact should be between the OP's husband and the amom, although with all the drama that seems to be playing out with her, I might be inclined to put reunion on the back burner until the young lady is 18, and then communicate with her directly.
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JustPeachy
I do think the amom needs to stop making these plans to arrange for the daughter to reunite and then retracting them. From what I am reading, it is not the daughter that is the issue, it is the amom, knowing the daughter is not ready, still pressing the issue, and then getting the birthfather's hopes up and then retracting, saying the daughter is not ready. It's like she's playing a mind game here.
I'm not saying it's NOT the amom (like another poster said - we only know one side of the story) but really - how many amoms do we know that are forcing or trying to force their kids to have contact? I think the probability of that is a lot lower than the probability of the child trying to explore who she is while also dealing with the hormones of being a teen and not knowing what she really wants in life right now (sigh - remember those days?)
Well let me start by saying that I know not ALL amoms or fmoms are bad but you also have to realize that not ALL are good either. There have been several reports in the news about there being bad ones. But Just Peachy got it right in what the problem is with amom trying so hard to get a reunion started, I really don't know why she is pushing this so hard. But just a few facts, we have this in black & white, when daughter FIRST went to this home as a foster child fmom had her calling Bdad by his first name only not DAD, started calling her by a nick name knowing how strongly dad disagreed with the nickname & had daughter calling her MOM. I know there are fmoms out there that have their fchildren call them Ms. Jane for instance. Then her very first christmas in this home as a foster child fmom send bdad a pic of daughter with Santa & writes on it "Santa all I want for Christmas is a family of my own." I'm not an expert but I do know how very much that hurt him, the plan at this time was for her to return to us.
I would also like to state that I may not be her bmom, but I did care for her for 18 months of her life. I thought her how to use the potty, talk & bottle broke her. I read her her night time story everynight before bed, bathed her, dressed her & put her to bed. I took her to the babysitter everymorning & picked her up everynight to take her home for dinner. I was her mom for 18 months, her mom was NOT in the picture for these 18 months we tried so hard to get her involved & she rejected our every effort.
Now as to the communication between amom & bdad, amom has not had a problem with it being me for 10 years, her & bdad have problems getting along & she is fully aware of this. When daughter called it was me that answered the phone not knowing who it was & I offered SEVERAL times for daughter to talk to bdad & she kept saying no she was fine talking to me. After daughter was done talking to me I talked to amom for 30 minutes plus. Me & amom have never had a problem communicating till I asked her to stop bringing up reunion until she was SURE this is what daughter wanted. I understand that daughter may go to her & say I want to meet bdad than change her mind that would be understandable but that is NOT the case. It is infact Amom that keeps starting this conversation with both bdad & daughter.
JustPeachy
[QUOTE]I do think the amom needs to stop making these plans to arrange for the daughter to reunite and then retracting them.
L'S-STEPMOM, I whole heartedly agree with JUSTPEACHY, 16 yr olds Mom needs to let it go, this is a 16 yr.old, yes,but she is old enough to call her Firstdad, if and when she is ready..JMHO. L'S stepmom, has stated all she and Fdad have done was keep them posted with updates of where they are FOR CONTACT. This 16 yr.old sounds as if THERAPY is a MUST, she sounds so messed up from all this chaos in her life since she was old enough to have her memory. I do agree that this on-again ,off-again- reunion should be between her fdad, and herself, but only until SHE (daughter) personally calls or writes, NOT MOM! I understand somewhat how much this causes sadness with Fdad, this MOM will be lucky if she doesn't cause so much turmoil with mind games, that she ends up causing Fdad to retreat forever. These are "our" children here, not a mind game, I feel so sad for this teen, that on top of dealing with teen life in general, is also dealing with her identity, of her past..not yet being given an everyday life of a teen..whom is trying to find her self, in a normal world! I might suggest, Fdad, sit down mail a letter, handwritten, to daughter, with all his thoughts(TRUE-REAL THOUGHTS), and tell her he WILL be there if and when she is ready, that he is not going anywhere. Along with letting her know that if and when that time comes...SHE(daughter) needs to be the one to communicate this, no one else. Letting her know this is the only way he will know for sure SHE is ready. I like others have said, would also let it be after this letter, until she is 18, or ready! Leannas S-mom...you have started a GREAT post, no one is attacking, some subjects just cause more intense opinions...so please do not go anywhere, this post can help many.,many people, especially those in step parent familys! Blessings, I know this sounds like you are hurting so much for DD & DH,I can only imagine..it is hard to want to FIX it for those we love...sometimes we just can't! Hang in there.....C.J.:grouphug:
cetalley
[QUOTE=JustPeachy] I might suggest, Fdad, sit down mail a letter, handwritten, to daughter, with all his thoughts(TRUE-REAL THOUGHTS), and tell her he WILL be there if and when she is ready, that he is not going anywhere. Along with letting her know that if and when that time comes...SHE(daughter) needs to be the one to communicate this, no one else. Letting her know this is the only way he will know for sure SHE is ready. I like others have said, would also let it be after this letter, until she is 18, or ready! Leannas S-mom...you have started a GREAT post, no one is attacking, some subjects just cause more intense opinions...so please do not go anywhere, this post can help many.,many people, especially those in step parent familys! Blessings, I know this sounds like you are hurting so much for DD & DH,I can only imagine..it is hard to want to FIX it for those we love...sometimes we just can't! Hang in there.....C.J.:grouphug:
I respectfully disagree about the the true real thoughts thing. This girl is 16, she doesn't need to worry about her first dad's true real thoughts. I agree a letter letting her know that he will be around when she is ready would be nice. And I'd like to remind everyone that ready doesn't automatically happen when an adopted person turns 18. I didn't have my files opened until I was 21 and then I waited five more years to actually contact M.
I understand that firstmoms always think it is important for our children to know the truth, but I'm thinking that 16 isn't the right age for those truths. She still have to live in the house with her mom, there is no mention of an adad, but possibly adad too.
How about a little respect for the adopted person in this instead of bickering over how the adults feel? This isn't about any of the adults, this is about this girl.
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belleinblue1978
I respectfully disagree about the the true real thoughts thing. This girl is 16, she doesn't need to worry about her first dad's true real thoughts.
I totally agree with you on this one, Belle. Reading birth/first father's "true, real thoughts" may be way too much for a teenager to handle. I would also caution bdad to not paint the bmom in a negative light, even though it sounds like there is a lot of animosity between them. Putting down a young girl's birthmom would only hurt the child. It might assuage the bdad's feelings, but it'll hurt the kid.
belleinblue1978
How about a little respect for the adopted person in this instead of bickering over how the adults feel? This isn't about any of the adults, this is about this girl.
Thank you for saying this, Belle. You took the words right out of my mouth. The adults in this situation need to act like grown-ups, and consider foremost the needs and desires of this girl. She's still a child, soon to be a young woman, and as such, her best interests come first...end of story.
I am an adoptive mom whose daughter was adopted from foster care. No, I wasn't the fmom who had her for the almost 5 years she was in care. But anyway, it is HARD to open an adoption when the past has abuse/neglect/drugs.
We recently opened the adoption to a grandfather. My daughter has lots of questions about things but is afraid to ask him. He was not responsible for anything that happened when she was young, but as I said, it is still hard.
I told him from the start that no matter what she asks, nothing was her fault. Just visit and be proud of her accomplishments. That is working for us. I doubt we will ever go farther then him in the open adoption part.
We make this all about her. It isn't easy.
RavenSong
I totally agree with you on this one, Belle. Reading birth/first father's "true, real thoughts" may be way too much for a teenager to handle. I would also caution bdad to not paint the bmom in a negative light, even though it sounds like there is a lot of animosity between them. Putting down a young girl's birthmom would only hurt the child. It might assuage the bdad's feelings, but it'll hurt the kid.
Thank you for saying this, Belle. You took the words right out of my mouth. The adults in this situation need to act like grown-ups, and consider foremost the needs and desires of this girl. She's still a child, soon to be a young woman, and as such, her best interests come first...end of story.
YUP......YUP:clap: .....YUP:clap:
You got it right belle and raven.
I have seen so many stituations not just adoption related where the kids are used as pawns.....the we wonder why as a society whats happend to our kids? With expressions of innocence on adult faces....
And age is not necessarily chronological is it? There are many kids that are not ready and mature enough to deal with the expecatations of the adults that made choices for them, impacted the direct line of their lives. It puts a heavy burden on anyone no matter what their age to worry about how there existence effects others....its hard.
Good morning to all, L'SSTEPMOM, I wish to clarify, to YOU, by no means do I assume your DH, would ever sit down and write his daughter a letter" STATING HIS REAL-TRUE THOUGHTS", in a way that would be disrespectful to her(a 16 yr.old young impressionisticate,teen, whom is definately already fragile from ALL she has lived up to this time). I have to assume he would truthfully tell her something in the way..."I have tried to keep my contact info avail. for YOU, if and when YOU, wish to contact me. I have recieved many e-mails stating you are ready, then I hear nothing, then I recieve another stating the opposite! BY these actions I must assume YOU are not ready. I am writing to you, for the expressed purpose of letting you know that IF/WHEN YOU, are ready I am here!", SOMETHING IN THIS MANNER, I see where SOME took my post out of context, disregarding the rest, possibly they were thinking I meant your DH, would try to purge himself of his past sins..I do not know what they assumed I meant, so I wanted to clarify for YOU what I meant. I still say I feel this is a good post, and please keep us updated. I also wish to RE-ITERATE MY POST..."this young girl has been through much, much turmoil her ENTIRE life, she is still young , finding her OWN identity, on top of the rest being thrown upon her. This is about what she wants..NOT MOM, whom feels a need to play hurtful mind games, when all you and hubby want is to allow them contact info, by updating. Again I am sorry your hubby,and yourself have to go through this, but I am sadder with the fact, her MOM is playing "lets screw with heads...then retract... then not contact them back..to heck with what this does to anybody else...ESPECIALLY a 16 yr. old , GOD only knows if she plays e-mail games with you, no telling what she is doing to aid in this young girls problems, which sound as if it is many." I would like to think, she is getting help with this girls issues, instead of trying to reunite this girl with her dad, when in reality this reunion should be when SHE is ready not when MOM thinks she is ready". This girl should NOT be a game for anyone, she has and is dealing with way too much! SHE will one day be old enough to decide for HERSELF when and if , SHE wants contact. I hope you both ignore any emails from her(mom), and wait for HER to contact her dad. Does daughter have your mailing address, I assuming so, since you stated you have tried to always update her. Sorry, I had to clarify, seems there are always a few, whom try to interpret what others write, and put it in their own assumptions by picking out what they choose, disregard the rest, and post their expert opinions on what they FEEL others MEANT. Like I said in a previous post, these issues cause intense opinions from all, all opinions are always welcome, and appreciated, I know this is how I feel, and at times I am able to take away better insight. I hope all is going well, and hopefully your darling husband, will get peace, when his DD's Mom, ends her e-mail mind game. Wishing you peace...C.J.
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C.J.
I want you to know that I completely UNDERSTOOD what you were saying. It quite frankly upset me that some others misunderstood you! And this is what we have pretty much done with daughter by way of short letter with a birthday card simply stating "these are our contact numbers, our email addresses and home address when YOU are READY your contact will be welcomed even telling her what a great job aparents are doing (even if we didn't agree with some things) With amom (&yes there is an adad just not active in communication) we have always emailed friendly updates of our contact info. she would send pics & tell us what daugher was into in sports, school & all the activities kids are in. She would tell us about vacations & grades, behavior & all those little moments you miss out on. We would email her back our positive thoughts on everything keeping ALL negative out of it. Amom even went so far 4 years ago to ask if she could put US in her will as daughter's guardian if anything happens to amom & adad (they are late 60's now) we told her that was fine SO LONG as daughter was ok with it in the event something happened, never did hear anything back on that either. We have ALWAYS been content to sit back & watch daughter grow & blossom from a DISTANCE, this is not an issue for us.
My concern is coming in with amom the mind games amom is playing with my husband & I wander what is she playing with daughter. There was even the metion in the last letter in October that she told daughter that if she wanted to come live with bdad she could & it would not hurt amom's feelings. I am left to WANDER but DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE if amom is really telling daughter that if she don't like it there than she can go live with her bdad if she thinks that would be any better. AGAIN I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE HOW THIS IS BEING VISITED in their conversation just what I'm SPECULATING.
Thanks for your input CJ.
Blessings to you and ALL your family, I do not care what others think...as long as what i was trying to say, is interpreted in its original meaning..thank you for an update, I am always trying to listen so that if/when the time comes, I can have better insight. I know that "we"as parents can never get it perfect, but I do care about "our" children..they really are our future...Please keep us updated, for all ANY of us want is to help in our own way..or at least try to help...C.j.