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I had a recent situation with my youngest boy, this was not a good year for the little guy. One of those revelation moments.
Anyhow, I am reading this book right now.. it is in regards to gifted/highly bright children, chocked full of data. Some geared towards lower socioeconomic class Blacks. Yet "gifted" or not gifted, so far the research data information can be utilized in regards to our children, and the education road. What is intelligence, how intelligence is manifested, and so on.
[URL="http://www.amazon.com/Reversing-Underachievement-Among-Gifted-Students/dp/1593634870/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1308665654&sr=8-1"]Amazon.com: Reversing Underachievement Among Gifted Black Students (9781593634872): Donna Ford Ph.D.: Books[/URL]
Thanks, I remember reading about your experience with your son. You are right, frequently the girls are deemed easier. Gender and color really comes into play when the boy is a minority; to be specific Latino or Black. Wow that is crazy, the paces they put you through. He showed typical (and obvious to those who were not biased) signs of what they indicate as profoundly gifted? Still it seems as if they are also not as prepared to nurture a truly gifted child. Glad to read you are finding a program that meet meet your DS' needs. I think by the time some of those wonderful university programs trickle down through the bogged red tape in public schools.. it become more about politics, and not the child.
We have one particular university who is involved in programs, summer and such. they are 2 hours away. Now that I am garnering the private tests which the university and similar enrichment programs needs, we will see how we can incorporate such. The more I read the more I see how limited our choices are locally.
Oh btw, I recently checked with the stated company that was supposed to render the state wide study on the low % of identified gifted kid f color. I do not note a follow-up on the state wide study in the low %of minority children.
I do note that after the NAACP made the issue (state wide/local), our local school system has changed their language regarding identifying for gifted.. It has the buzz words, cultural competence in identification. One of the naacp officers aka regular parent is on the board to work of full diversity, and cultural competence etc;
mommytoEli
i read up on this topic a lot about 2 years ago when i realized there something up with my son who is Guatemalan. there weren't many articles about underachieving gifted latino youth, so I had to get creative. I do feel like we hit a wall because he was a boy, and because he was brown. When I first called the district about testing because I wanted him to be early admitted to Kindergarten they tried to talk me into not even sending him on time, but red shirting him for sports because that is what most people with boys did here. But he isn't an athlete, he is an academian....so that was stupid. When he went for testing there were about 20 kids- probably 17 little tiny white girls, 2 tiny little white boys, and my towering Guatemalan boy. I honestly think they wrote him off when he walked in the door. A few weeks later we got his rejection letter. I didn't know he was reading the letter over my shoulder until I heard my barely 4 year old son ask, "why do I not need any further evaluation?" I knew then I wasn't crazy....so I also had him privately tested. Um, he tested gifted. No kidding!
When I called the district back and told them what I did, they were mad at me. They tried several times to ignore me. I finally went to the school level to find support. After I showed the school samples of what he did at home (wrote entire properly constructed paragraphs at barely 4- spelled correctly and everything...on his own)the principal no kidding said that she was prepared to tell us she couldn't help, but after she saw what he could do she changed her mind and helped advocate. the district still did their own full eval after that because they didn't believe us so they wouldn't accept our private one. when he tested even higher on theirs, they freaking had to give him an IEP. he started kindergarten this year at 4....and was still so far ahead of children 1 year older than he is they have to pull him out of class in an attempt to meet his needs. by the end of the year he was doing 3rd grade reading and math with the gifted teacher and going to an advanced 1st grade reading class. it still wasn't enough.
i swear if he had been my little white daughter i would not have had to fight so hard. there are many identified gifted children at my son's school....as far as i know, he is the only latino child. i do not know of any african american children who are labeled gifted and receiving services....and most of the children are in fact girls.
the best thing i ever did for him was enroll him in a gifted program at a local university. he goes to classes that interest him on weekends sometimes with other kids that are like him- crazy gifted and totally quirky, lol....oddly enough, this program is VERY diverse and there are many boys. it is run by the university's gurus on gifted education and so he is actually in a place where teachers and administrators understand him. they hold parent talks while kids are in class which is helpful for me.....you may want to look into your local universities and see if they offer anything like that.
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Oh I did chuckle at your description of how your little one read the letter over your shoulder, DD (5) is doing similar in leaps and bounds. Reading all of my mom level stuff. I read a lot of my news, gossip, etc; online...I hear a little voice behind me sounding out a multiple syllable word. :p Thank goodness she did not do that when I was reading about the recent political sex scandals. lol She hates writing though.
She showed a few signs (to include perfectionism) since placement with us. Her problem solving skills were pretty advanced for her age; if you told her to do 4 things all at once, as a toddler, she remembered and executed such. Still, I chose to focus on attachment and bonding, confidence. Basic reading, toys, games, puzzles, toddler stuff and then preschool.
I do think some of the intense signs she showed prior to being placed with us was due to her IQ. A lot of her intensity reduced dramatically once she was placed with us. They are not kidding in these articles regarding the higher the IQ the higher the emotional intensity. We still deal with sleeping issues, high energy, competitive. always needing to do stuff...intense package. I can imagine a child of color with such intensity in a classroom. Really need a program that understand such children.
DD also tested superior in abstract reasoning on the WPPSI given by a psychologist for private school admission. While I think she is young yet, I do need to get my tush in gear.
Its just ironic, regarding the similarities with my bio and adopted kiddos.
Its not always academic ability, the issue with minorities has a lot to do with the gatekeepers in their academic progression....
I just got the oldest somewhat settled, he is mr intellect,dignified, high level in language arts, arts, intense, perfectionist, etc;
You really have to watch the type of teaching environment the kids are in, and I mean in the burbs too. I had a huge issue with his middle school honors English teacher who was ready to deem him non honors English for high school. What was wild was the high school could then try to follow suit (foreign language, social studies... regardless of his grades in the middle school class) he was carrying a B in the English teacher class. The kid always tested up there in reading, language arts related subjects, and tested in middle school as reading at college level. He reads at least 2 books a day, and could/can discuss the books in an intellectual manner.
The teacher's attitude also reflected on how she taught that class, could imagine some of those kids self esteem/confidence. Anyhow, she could not give me an objective answer on her decision based on facts, it was purely subjective. So it was onto principal level conferences at that point.
I need help with these the 2 younger kids. lol And to win the lotto to afford meeting their needs. :D
J and B, my 2 youngest are quick learners. J could be "accelerated" if he put his mind to it. My problem is L who's 13 has a learning disability. While I want all the kiddies to be proud, I don't allow gloating.
Thanks mommytoeli for sharing. I don't think there are any Latino kids in my kids gifted program. They target the ESL Latino kids because they are at risk of dropping out and that effects school ranking and funding. More is put into bilingual education and supporting the parents. So if a parent is unaware of their child's talents or doesn't know how to advocate they are left out.
Nick
I'll look for the science workbook at Target. DD is the scientific one. I can't just tell her to wash her hair with the swim shampoo. I have to explain what chlorine does to her hair, what chlorine is and how the shampoo effects the chlorine. Ultraswim has some simple diagrams on how chlorine bonds to your hair. That leads to the purpose of chlorine in swimming pools and how it was discovered and so on and so on. There's no simple use this shampoo after you swim and use this one when you don't. I admit I get frustrated at times but I do follow through with detailed explanations or documentation so she gets used to looking things up. DH is not willing to do it for some reason. DD has already decided she wants to be a doctor our job is to make sure she gets the right education to support that dream.
DS is scheduled for additional testing next month now that he's 6 years old. He still has issues with impluse control and his therapist is very proactive about getting things into place for him so he doesn't get lost in the shuffle because of his behavior. He is highly emotional as well as super intelligent. His intelligence tends to get lost in his moodiness and impulsiveness if you are not observant.
I will check to see if the publishers offer it outside of Target, could not find additional experiment books last year. Good thing you are in tune, and the therapist is on his side..and early too. I read and observed how kids who are highly aware cognitively need to find that balance with their kid level developmental level. It can simulate or accentuate behavioral tendencies.
I have a wonderful kiddie clock for DD; no questions before (well for the summer) its 7 am. lol The focus on STEM is big in the education field now, just in time for your DD. Science, technology, math, and lots of programs are popping up especially a focus.. on closing that gap for girls and minorities.
I had a conversation regarding feminism. One person made a comment on race in our society that placed things in perspective with "girl power". CC girls are at times told to downplay the emphasis on their looks. AA girls may need to be raised with on emphasis on brains "and" their beauty. Different approach due to perceptions.
Nothing wrong with nurturing and promoting smartness/intellect, great way to offset the overdone printed and otherwise negative about Blacks. My Grannie gave me space to explore nature, (poor lizards and ants. lol) and read (voraciously)and express myself (w/o being sassy of course). My step-grandfather always spoke out about how cute, and smart I was, confidence wise stuff like that that took me far.
This dad indicated he needed to take Ginko big time to keep up with his DD's quick mind. lol
[URL="http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/bronx/2011/06/21/2011-06-21_move_over_doogie_howser_13yearold_bronx_girl_heading_to_college_.html"]Move over, Doogie Howser, 13-year-old Bronx girl heading to college[/URL]
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Gender;
[url]http://www.aauw.org/learn/research/upload/whysofew.pdf[/url]
[URL="http://www.diversity-executive.com/article.php?article=875"]U.S. Women and Minority Scientists Discouraged from Pursuing STEM Careers, National Survey Shows[/URL][LIST]
[*]Regardless of gender, race or ethnicity, interest in science begins in early childhood. Nearly 60 percent of the respondents say they first became interested in science by age 11. This parallels the findings of a 1998 Bayer Facts survey of American Ph.D. scientists, which included white men. In that survey, six-in-ten also reported interest in science by age 11.
[*]More than three-quarters (77 percent) say significant numbers of women and underrepresented minorities are missing from the U.S. STEM workforce today because they were not identified, encouraged or nurtured to pursue STEM studies early on.
[*]The top three causes/contributors to underrepresentation in STEM include lack of quality science and math education programs in poorer school districts (75 percent), persistent stereotypes that say STEM isn’t for girls or minorities (66 percent) and financial issues related to the cost of education (53 percent), according to the survey respondents.
[*]They say science teachers play a larger role than parents in stimulating and sustaining interest in science. During the elementary school years, 70 percent of the respondents say teachers have the most influence. During high school, 88 percent say teachers do.
[*]Nearly two-thirds (62 percent) of those polled say underrepresentation exists in their company’s/organizations/institution’s workforce.
[*]Leading workplace barriers for the female and minority chemists and chemical engineers include managerial bias (40 percent), company/organizational/institutional bias (38 percent) and a lack of professional development (36 percent), no/little access to networking opportunities (35%), and a lack of promotional/advancement opportunities (35 percent).
[*]Nearly three-quarters (70 percent) of the chemists/chemical engineers say it is harder for women to succeed in their field than it is for men, while more than two-thirds (67 percent) think it is more difficult for minorities to succeed than it is for non-minorities.
[*]Across the board, respondents give their companies/organizations/institutions a “C” for having women and underrepresented minorities in senior positions to serve as role models and mentors for the younger employees.[/LIST]“This and previous Bayer Facts surveys confirm something I’ve long known – that interest in science is genderless and colorless,” said Dr. Mae C. Jemison, astronaut, medical doctor, chemical engineer and Bayer’s longtime Making Science Make Sense spokesperson. “All children have an innate interest in science and the world around them. But for many children, that interest hits roadblocks along an academic system that is still not blind to gender or color.
[url=http://www.gse.harvard.edu/news_events/features/2007/11/21_star.html]Encouraging Girls in Math and Science[/url]
Many other articles out there.
I need to track down this book. Hoping that the library may have it.
Culture and Children's Intelligence: Cross-Cultural Analysis of the WISC-III
This book provides a unique cross-cultural perspective of the WISC-III. From construction, translation and adaptation in different cultures, to analysis of its structure and function as a concept, to its clinical use with different ethnic groups, Culture and Children's Intelligence provides clinician's the tools they need when using the WISC-III. The focus of this reference work is on children's intelligence as measured by the WISC-III in different cultures and its use in these cultures (USA, UK, Canada, France, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Sweden, and Greece). It also discusses the interpretation of the results of the WISC-III in terms of cultural and ethnic factors.
[url=http://www.amazon.com/Culture-Childrens-Intelligence-Cross-Cultural-Analysis/dp/0122800559/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1309541479&sr=1-2]Amazon.com: Culture and Children's Intelligence: Cross-Cultural Analysis of the WISC-III (9780122800559): James Georgas, Lawrence G. Weiss, Fons J.R. van de Vijver, Donald H. Saklofske: Books[/url]
Website that has test prep products for Weschler & Stanford-Binet. Helps reduce test anxiety. Kind of pricey though... I'm sure I can find something free online. We've got testing again in a couple of weeks.
[url=http://store.aristotlecircle.com/index.html]Aristotle Circle Bookstore[/url]
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Still looking. Found the following...
[url=http://www.criticalthinking.com/company/articles/wppsi-test-prep-guide.jsp]The Critical Thinking Co.™ - Test Prep Guide for the WPPSI[/url]
It's $132.99 for ages 6-7.
I saw where the 13 year old's admission to UConn was revoked. They say she is not academically ready.
That's a better price. Do you have the prior test break-down? I would only buy the booklet(s) that focuses the weakness on his prior test. Since his iq is already up there, the specific critical thinking problems should help him sort stuff out better.
UConn refusal?
I read that, and wonder whats up. Is it the father, or the University..and reasons. From what I read the paper called UConn to verify that she was accepted, but said she was not enrolled as yet?
nickchris
I had a recent situation with my youngest boy, this was not a good year for the little guy. One of those revelation moments.
Anyhow, I am reading this book right now.. it is in regards to gifted/highly bright children, chocked full of data. Some geared towards lower socioeconomic class Blacks. Yet "gifted" or not gifted, so far the research data information can be utilized in regards to our children, and the education road. What is intelligence, how intelligence is manifested, and so on.
[URL="http://www.amazon.com/Reversing-Underachievement-Among-Gifted-Students/dp/1593634870/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1308665654&sr=8-1"]Amazon.com: Reversing Underachievement Among Gifted Black Students (9781593634872): Donna Ford Ph.D.: Books[/URL]
Got the book. So far I've only browsed it because whenever I sit down someone is on my lap or attached to me. The stats for enrollment in gifted programs were surprising. A pretty sizable jump once they worked on some of the factors keeping minority kids out. One thing I was kind of surprised about was "white flight" from gifted programs. I knew that was an issue in schools where there were a lot of Asian kids so I guess the same would apply to AA or Latino kids too. There were just more mechanisms in place to keep AA and Latino kids out.
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Harvard has more black students than ever
The federal government has changed the way racial information is recorded again...
Immigrant blacks make up a good percentage of the number.
[url=http://www.thegrio.com/specials/the-ygb/harvard-has-more-black-students-than-ever-but-are-they-african-american.php?page=1]Harvard has more black students than ever, but are they African-American?[/url]
You must be very proud parents of your children. I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking, wow, I wish my kids were so gifted! Actually, I do think my kids are brighter than average and have a great deal of potential. I'm also a little worried about their abilities possibly being overlooked in the Australian educational system when we get there. I'm a little hopeful though, that race will not be a major factor, but culture certainly can affect things (like IQ tests are often culturally biased) and personalities. Sometimes the brightest children are just not suited to a classroom situation, or their intelligence cannot be measured academically. But hopefully if I take an active interest in their education, they'll still make the most of their abilities.